Why Straight Bodybuilders Never Wish Happy Pride ? - Homophobia In Bodybuilding.

[jellyfishh]

You are quite high maintenance.

You are a Generation Z. I'm a Millennial. So i have more experience than you in general. So i'm more mature than you and knows more things about life. You clearly have a lot of things to learn. You ignore a lot of things. Obviously.

Keep kissing the butt of straight bodybuilders. They wont wish you happy pride. But you dont care about that. Right?

I feel like this is just gonna go back and forth. You clearly aren't willing to learn and are set on your ideas. So I'm just going to respond to three points and leave it at that.

"Also, if these straight bodybuilders absolutely cant stand to be sexualized by gay men, then they should never went to the gym in the first place to make themselves look hot" - You're saying that because they're attractive and are focusing on their health they deserve to be sexually harassed. Disgusting thing to say.

"I never knew that there was a thread about women day. Theres your answer." - How about you create one and show your support for women. Instead of creating a false narrative of the bodybuilding community.

Age does not always = Knowledge. A 20 yr old bodybuilder would know more on the topic than a 70 yr old who's never been to the gym. You can belittle me all you want about my age but it doesn't make you correct. People in here have said they've been involved in the bodybuilding community for 30 years and you still dismiss their experience with "well i watched a youtube video". I'm not kissing the butt of straight bodybuilders, I just don't think you should be going around calling ppl homophobic for saying literally nothing.

 

[Rican84]

These straight bodybuilders clearly show all their support to the BLM cause. But they dont show support for the LGBT cause. Dont pretend to not see the favoritism.

Again. Two different causes. False equivalency.

 

[Rican84]

You are quite high maintenance.

You are a Generation Z. I'm a Millennial. So i have more experience than you in general. So i'm more mature than you and knows more things about life. You clearly have a lot of things to learn. You ignore a lot of things. Obviously.

Keep kissing the butt of straight bodybuilders. They wont wish you happy pride. But you dont care about that. Right?

That's not how maturity works. Age doesn't equate to maturity and the fact that you said this proves otherwise. Lol

Insulting ppl in debates doesn't prove your point and shows immaturity but I digress....

 

[Iamyesyouareno]

These straight bodybuilders clearly show all their support to the BLM cause. But they dont show support for the LGBT cause. Dont pretend to not see the favoritism.

No, you really can't compare the two situations. The whole George Floyd era of 2020 was marked by a huge amount of social coercion. Most of the people who posted those stupid black squares on IG didn't actually care about BLM that much. They just cared about their brand so they went along with it. It's not favoritism.

 

[Marco Tony]

Again. Two different causes. False equivalency.

The causes are irrelevant. I could have said the MeToo movement and my point would have still been as valuable. So in this case, straight bodybuilders would have accepted to support women who are sexually abused. The point is, that these straight bodybuiders clearly supports one cause or any cause. Except the LGBT cause. Its dissapointing. Especially with the straight bodybuilders who are not homophobic. They still never say happy pride or show any type of support for LGBT people on their instagram. Straight bodybuilders are really the ones who are late in the race. They are the only men of any sports who are not vocal with LGBT rights. Pretty much any straight men of any others sports shows at least some support for LGBT rights. But straight bodybuilders still remains silent. The fact that the lack of LGBT support comes from the most homoerotic sport in the world makes it worse and terribly ironic.

 

[Marco Tony]

Toxic masculinity from straight bodybuilders is playing a big part in bodybuilders remaining silent. Even for the non homophobic ones. Bodybuilding is somehow the most alpha male sport. You would expect a sport like football to be the ultimate macho alpha male sport. Technically it is the third most alpha male sport. Boxing is clearly the second most alpha male sport. Bodybuilders are way more alpha males than men of other sports. The difference is that many straight men in other sports support LGBT rights openly and without shame.

Back in june, many sports had a pride night. In many cities in USA. Just like baseball for example. Its shows that there is progress in acceptation of gay men in sports. Straight bodybuilders are still doing nothing about pride. Thats the point i'm making since the beginning. They just dont care. And they are the ones linked to gay men the most. And they are the ones who ignores the LGBT cause the most. They are behind the men in other sports who show supports for the LGBT cause.

Alpha males are often homophobic or at least are not comfortable with gay men. Because it threatens their masculinity that they are so obsessed with. Therefore they put gay men aside and ignores them. Because they supposedly goes against their masculine ideals. Its fucked up. But this is what toxic masculinity is about. Bodybuilding is full of it.

Its about time that straight bodybuilders joins the rest of straight men in other sports and show supports for the LGBT cause.

 

[Rican84]

The causes are irrelevant. I could have said the MeToo movement and my point would have still been as valuable. So in this case, straight bodybuilders would have accepted to support women who are sexually abused. The point is, that these straight bodybuiders clearly supports one cause or any cause. Except the LGBT cause. Its dissapointing. Especially with the straight bodybuilders who are not homophobic. They still never say happy pride or show any type of support for LGBT people on their instagram. Straight bodybuilders are really the ones who are late in the race. They are the only men of any sports who are not vocal with LGBT rights. Pretty much any straight men of any others sports shows at least some support for LGBT rights. But straight bodybuilders still remains silent. The fact that the lack of LGBT support comes from the most homoerotic sport in the world makes it worse and terribly ironic.

Your point from jump has not been of value my guy.

 

[Rican84]

You just keep reiterating the same thing over and over again.

 

[deleted19225631]

Nobody wished me a happy 4th of july. I'm going to go online and cry about it for some attention! Please everyone notice that I'm a victim... Lol.

 

[Goldstargay]

I feel like this is just gonna go back and forth. You clearly aren't willing to learn and are set on your ideas. So I'm just going to respond to three points and leave it at that.

"Also, if these straight bodybuilders absolutely cant stand to be sexualized by gay men, then they should never went to the gym in the first place to make themselves look hot" - You're saying that because they're attractive and are focusing on their health they deserve to be sexually harassed. Disgusting thing to say.

"I never knew that there was a thread about women day. Theres your answer." - How about you create one and show your support for women. Instead of creating a false narrative of the bodybuilding community.

Age does not always = Knowledge. A 20 yr old bodybuilder would know more on the topic than a 70 yr old who's never been to the gym. You can belittle me all you want about my age but it doesn't make you correct. People in here have said they've been involved in the bodybuilding community for 30 years and you still dismiss their experience with "well i watched a youtube video". I'm not kissing the butt of straight bodybuilders, I just don't think you should be going around calling ppl homophobic for saying literally nothing.

Don’t argue valid points with anyone. Gay men are not allowed to have an opinion anymore. It’s gotten so hostile for gay men that in the UK the gays and lesbians have formed their own community and left the queer community out of the membership. I think I’m the near future the G and the L will be no longer associated with the BTQ in America . Gay erasure and censored speech and opinion is getting worse by the day against gay men from the queer movement. We use to be connected by our sexual orientation and we had a strong gay community that supported each other but now the queer community has become obsessed with intersectionality and it’s destroying our progress. In Michigan the queer and progressive community fought like hell to elect Muslims on the city council of Hamtramck, Mi to fight bigotry and now one of the first things the city leaders did was ban gay pride and the pride flag from all public spaces and government buildings and schools.
‘A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags | Michigan | The Guardian

 

[Goldstargay]

Still doesn't make it true, no matter how much you try and "rephrase" or whatever it is you are doing now. I know that most aren't. #factsmatter


This would really be funny if it weren't so sad; nice try at projection. All one needs to do is read your musings around the site. You seem to thrive on pulling stuff out of the air or elsewhere in your constant attempts to justify your unfounded comments.

You have beliefs, and when challenged, cannot provide any documentation to support said beliefs, other than what you think. That's a fail of logic my friend. Big fail.

And now you are resorting to making personal attacks. All that tells me and other readers is you have nothing of substance to share. Nothing. As you continue to be unable to support your feelings with documentation or facts. Unlike what I've done here. Repeatedly... #factsmatter


Again with your projection; defensiveness is your crutch when challenged. One of my favorite sayings is "Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one". You've repeatedly stated your "opinions" here and I've repeatedly refuted such with facts. And will continue to do so. #factsmatter


More unfounded nonsense which again tells me you have nothing of substance to provide now so you are resorting to a personal attack. Another fail.

What I am is an ally for the truth. Facts. Honesty. And when anyone tries to post a bunch of opinions and nonsense not supported by facts or truth, I will speak out. Especially about a subject or topic of which I have first-hand knowledge and experience. Like bodybuilding.

And continue to do so as I don't deal in conspiracy theories. Or with people who post "stuff" that has no basis in truth. Like has happened in this thread... #factsmatter


Full grown men don't play games with truth. They don't make stuff up and attempt to present it as facts when they know it's not. Push their opinions on others they are unable to support when challenged. Double down with personal attacks when challenged. As has been going on in this thread.

Debate? That's funny. You aren't debating. You are posting your thoughts based on nothing other than your opinion. Which, when challenged, you've been unable to support. Not how debate works. #factsmatter


And a huge thank you for once again admitting you don't know anything about that which you've claimed to have known throughout this thread.

I do know. I've shared with you and other thread readers my personal experience of being involved in the bodybuilding community for almost 30 years now.

And now that you've admitted again you don't know, do all of us a favor and please don't continue to post about that which you've admitted you don't know. It's just not a good look!

I have “musings” about issues related to gay men, our culture and identity. I have to read endless threads about bisexuality, pansexuality, and straight people on this site. There’s a thread where bisexual men are posting that gay men aren’t worth anything over a fuck and they would take a relationship with a women any-day of the week. Or how bisexuals men prefer women because they want children to be in M-F homes. The pansexuals on here posting how being gay is limiting yourself and putting labels on people is archaic. So I’m sorry that I’m a gay man who has been treated like shit my whole life and had to fight like hell to have a voice and now there seems to be a growing queer and straight agenda to erase gay men because we are to singular for people. Yes, I post on here in defense of some of these opinions, but what I don’t do is censor people or report them to moderators. When have I engaged in personal attacks against you? You made several statements that I don’t have valid opinions and I don’t offer documentation, but that’s no more true than what you and everyone else does on this forum. Where is your proof of being in the BB world. Where are the pics that you provided as proof to be an authorized person to challenge people on this issue? Also, how is it insulting to you by saying that you censor people on here and specifically me. Several times you have removed my reply’s because you didn’t agree. I have never used slurs, or derogatory language, I’ve just simply stated my opinions and you have selectively removed my comments. Just because an opinion is not a popular opinion doesn’t mean it needs to be censored.

 

[Goldstargay]

Don’t argue valid points with anyone. Gay men are not allowed to have an opinion anymore. It’s gotten so hostile for gay men that in the UK the gays and lesbians have formed their own community and left the queer community out of the membership. I think I’m the near future the G and the L will be no longer associated with the BTQ in America . Gay erasure and censored speech and opinion is getting worse by the day against gay men from the queer movement. We use to be connected by our sexual orientation and we had a strong gay community that supported each other but now the queer community has become obsessed with intersectionality and it’s destroying our progress. In Michigan the queer and progressive community fought like hell to elect Muslims on the city council of Hamtramck, Mi to fight bigotry and now one of the first things the city leaders did was ban gay pride and the pride flag from all public spaces and government buildings and schools.
‘A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags | Michigan | The Guardian

Don’t argue valid points with anyone. Gay men are not allowed to have an opinion anymore. It’s gotten so hostile for gay men that in the UK the gays and lesbians have formed their own community and left the queer community out of the membership. I think I’m the near future the G and the L will be no longer associated with the BTQ in America . Gay erasure and censored speech and opinion is getting worse by the day against gay men from the queer movement. We use to be connected by our sexual orientation and we had a strong gay community that supported each other but now the queer community has become obsessed with intersectionality and it’s destroying our progress. In Michigan the queer and progressive community fought like hell to elect Muslims on the city council of Hamtramck, Mi to fight bigotry and now one of the first things the city leaders did was ban gay pride and the pride flag from all public spaces and government buildings and schools.
‘A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags | Michigan | The Guardian

This article is in support of my statement related to how gays and lesbians in the UK are frustrated that the LGBTQ orgs have abandoned the gays in favor of the T-Q so they set up their own org.

About - LGB Alliance UK

 

[bigboaster]

And the mask slips....

 

[MisterB]

You made several statements that I don’t have valid opinions and I don’t offer documentation, but that’s no more true than what you and everyone else does on this forum.

I've yet to see you support your "views" with anything other than your opinion. You think. You believe.

Where is your proof of being in the BB world. Where are the pics that you provided as proof to be an authorized person to challenge people on this issue?

It's not MY credibility in this forum that's being questioned! It's not my first time talking about being involved in sport of bodybuilding at LPSG. My post history is rich with such. Unlike you, I have first-hand experience about that which I speak. Because I know the reality.

Also, how is it insulting to you by saying that you censor people on here and specifically me. Several times you have removed my reply’s because you didn’t agree. I have never used slurs, or derogatory language, I’ve just simply stated my opinions and you have selectively removed my comments. Just because an opinion is not a popular opinion doesn’t mean it needs to be censored.

You are not being censored; you are being challenged to support your opinions/musings with facts. That's because there is a huge difference between an opinion and facts. Your opinions and musings about the sport of BB are not steeped in facts.

It appears there are no facts or reality that are able to help you understand just how misguided and wrong you are about the sport. You've made several declarative statements that when challenged, you've been unable to refute.

Let me end by sharing something I heard a long time ago that seems apropos here. Life's a bitch, then you die. Everyone, regardless of their background, sexuality, whatever, faces ups and downs and in-betweens everyday.

Life is not easy. It's work. But that doesn't excuse someone from posting a bunch of nonsense on an adult social media site that is based solely on their opinion, conjecture and projection, and when challenged repeatedly with facts, doubles down by dismissing those facts, getting personal, gaslighting, etc.

No one, including straight bodybuilders, owes you or me as gay men anything. Other than to be treated respectfully as a fellow human being.

And when that doesn't happen, that's when you want to speak out. Raise hell. Trust me my friend, I've done just that in the almost 50 years I've been out. The bigotry and discrimination I endured in the workplace at times for just being me; and you can bet I stood up for myself. Pushed back.

But not once in the almost 30 years of being involved in the bodybuilding community as a fully out and proud gay man have I ever been treated as anything less than an equal. Maybe I shattered their stereotypical thoughts that as a gay man, I was weak. Especially when I "outlifted" them, lol.

And it didn't bother me one bit when they didn't wish me "Happy Gay Pride"! Because I was just another meathead making muscles in the gym. Just like them...

 

[Marco Tony]

Nobody wished me a happy 4th of july. I'm going to go online and cry about it for some attention! Please everyone notice that I'm a victim... Lol.

Independence day is not about people being hated for who they are. Its just a celebration of a country. Which is totally different. Therefore you cant compare it with gay pride who is about LGBT people being hated for just being who they are. You dont compare italian to chinese. They are two totally different languages. Keep in mind that in every debates, theres always one side who is more right than the other. In this case its the one from the very first post in this thread who is spot on and accurate. I just tell it like it is. The truth is not always nice to say. But is always nice to know.

 

[Marco Tony]

Real facts are the the ones that are obvious. Like we need to take a shower everyday to be clean, we need to eat everyday to survive, we need to go to work, we need to wash our teeth twice a day, we need to go to bed everynights, ect... These are absolute facts. So nobody can debate them. But when it comes to debate facts, theres always opinions that will be thrown in. Just like the opinion in post 135 that says '' someone from posting a bunch of nonsense on an adult social media site '' You see! Most of the times in debates, opinions are disguised as facts. But they are truly opinions in the end. Mind over matter.

 

[Notlikeskywalker]

Don’t argue valid points with anyone. Gay men are not allowed to have an opinion anymore. It’s gotten so hostile for gay men that in the UK the gays and lesbians have formed their own community and left the queer community out of the membership. I think I’m the near future the G and the L will be no longer associated with the BTQ in America . Gay erasure and censored speech and opinion is getting worse by the day against gay men from the queer movement. We use to be connected by our sexual orientation and we had a strong gay community that supported each other but now the queer community has become obsessed with intersectionality and it’s destroying our progress. In Michigan the queer and progressive community fought like hell to elect Muslims on the city council of Hamtramck, Mi to fight bigotry and now one of the first things the city leaders did was ban gay pride and the pride flag from all public spaces and government buildings and schools.
‘A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags | Michigan | The Guardian

Can you give any personal examples of gay hostility in the UK? LGBT quickly changed to LGBTQ, then LGBTQIA+, and unless you're part of that, I don't think many people understand what it all means. I understand trans people might face different struggles than gay people for example, it's not necessarily trans people separating themselves. Also i don't think the pride flag being on government buildings or not is relevant, I don't have a flag flying on my house but i don't hate my country.

 

[Goldstargay]

Can you give any personal examples of gay hostility in the UK? LGBT quickly changed to LGBTQ, then LGBTQIA+, and unless you're part of that, I don't think many people understand what it all means. I understand trans people might face different struggles than gay people for example, it's not necessarily trans people separating themselves. Also i don't think the pride flag being on government buildings or not is relevant, I don't have a flag flying on my house but i don't hate my country.

Yes, the gay and lesbian alliance registered in the UK as a charity and the trans orgs sued the alliance group to remove their charity status and the trans activist group who sued lost. There’s also a growing number of bi and trans activists in the UK and US who are pushing ideology that any promotion of
same sex attraction is bi and transphobic. The flags matter because they were on government property for years during prior administrations and then when a group of marginalized people stepped up and stuck their necks out for another marginalized group they were met with bigotry and discrimination. One of the councilman even quoted as saying that their city going forward was going to be not only a flagless city but a Fa*less city. These are people who are new to the country and heavily discriminated against. People extended a courtesy from one group of empathic people who knew what being on the other side of hate felt like and they were repaid with hate. It’s not only flags, they cancelled the next years pride parade, they’re censoring books and tried to shut down a lease for a community center but couldn’t legally but now residents are threatening to vandalize the property if they city doesn’t block the opening.

 

[Notlikeskywalker]

Yes, the gay and lesbian alliance registered in the UK as a charity and the trans orgs sued the alliance group to remove their charity status and the trans activist group who sued lost. There’s also a growing number of bi and trans activists in the UK and US who are pushing ideology that any promotion of
same sex attraction is bi and transphobic. The flags matter because they were on government property for years during prior administrations and then when a group of marginalized people stepped up and stuck their necks out for another marginalized group they were met with bigotry and discrimination. One of the councilman even quoted as saying that their city going forward was going to be not only a flagless city but a Fa*less city. These are people who are new to the country and heavily discriminated against. People extended a courtesy from one group of empathic people who knew what being on the other side of hate felt like and they were repaid with hate. It’s not only flags, they cancelled the next years pride parade, they’re censoring books and tried to shut down a lease for a community center but couldn’t legally but now residents are threatening to vandalize the property if they city doesn’t block the opening.

Most of your point is still US centred. As for the LGB Alliance, from what I've read about them they are merely a fringe group with somewhat nonsensical views about "lesbians becoming extinct". Also that growing number of hostile activists is still a definite minority so won't represent the UK as a whole. Sounds like a lot of political in-fighting.

 

[ronin001]

I

didn’t say you had to do any of those things. But if you’re in a profession or hobby that has a large gay population why not be happy pride? What’s the heavy list. I don’t think you need to March or rally.

<<<< Not Gay
live in New York; or rather I am a native New Yorker, not a transplant or passing through yuppy / hipster . I say this because NY has / has had a large population that identify with different lifestyles. I have come to be educated that not every LGBTQ, person celebrates Pride / goes to the parade/ wears rainbow colors. So if proud persons of the community can celebrate in their own way, the same should hold for non members of the community.

This is just my opinion

Cheers