xlcowboy
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Yup, he’s running a Labor Day sale and his page is full of 30 second clips with the same “tip for the whole video”
At least those post descriptions can be seen before subscribing. Unless he sees this and decides to hide it lol
Hey man. Thank you so much for taking the time to give me this feedback. I’m really sorry that the combination of my pricing strategy + lack of info on my socials made you feel like you were being misled. I assure you that was never my intent. Finding the right pricing model to suit all fans has certainly been a challenge. I want to find the best way to provide my content at a price point that everyone feels is fair, while still making sure I get paid for my efforts. I’ve heard from many other top male creators that my current pricing model (paid subscription + PPV for cum vids) was pretty standard, especially at the prices I’m charging. However, if you and others on here feel differently, please do speak up and let me know. Your opinions are the only ones that matter, at the end of the day. If it’s not too much trouble, could you please tell me either (1) if there is any amount or type of content you feel I should start providing to justify my current pricing, or (2) what you think would be a more fair price range for the content I am currently offering.
I’m totally open to changing things up and giving more people the ability to access all of my content. I just have to make sure it’s a thoroughly considered and viable strategy, cuz OF is how I pay my bills now, ya know?
Yeah buddy. Painfully real. Got the scars and student loans to prove itSo you’re not AI generated ? You’re real
Hey man. Thank you for the feedback. As I’ve said in some other posts and comments on here, I’m open to changing my pricing model if I hear suggestions that I can make work financially. I know lots of other top male OF creators are using the exact same pricing model I am: $10 - $15 subscription price + $10 - $15 PPV price. If you feel this pricing is unreasonable, could you please let me know the kind of prices you would expect to see for my account in either a paid subscription + PPV model like I’m currently doing, vs a no-PPV model, or a free sub + PPV model? I realize that’s a lot of specific info to request, but any feedback you can provide would be very helpful
Hey man. I’m sorry you feel that way. Please answer me this, though: why would I go to the trouble of monitoring this and several other sites, and asking for everyone’s honest feedback, if I didn’t plan to change anything?
If I just didn’t care at all, I would do what most people do, and keep charging whatever I felt like without asking how everyone feels about it.
I want to do a good job and make everyone feel like they’re getting their money’s worth out of my page. If you guys will please keep giving me specific, actionable feedback, I’m sure time will show that I’ve taken all of it seriously and implemented whatever changes make sense.
However, if you want me to change something, I do need suggestions that are more specific, and come with more evidence and support, than just saying you don’t like the subscription + PPV model.
Can you provide me some names of other male OF creators who are pricing their pages in a way you feel is more reasonable? If so, I’ll happily spend some money to subscribe to those guys’ pages and see how they’re doing things, to see if I can make the same things work for my own page.
I’m not trying to hide anything man. I’ve always seen that paid subscription + PPV is the assumed/standard model for most other male OF creators. The ones that are running No-PPV pages are the only ones I see specifically announcing their business models and pricing in their social media profiles.
However, as always, if several people feel like I need to either change my pricing or disclose my current pricing model in more pre-subscription locations, I’ll take it all into consideration and try to make all changes that I possibly can. I hope this helps.
Please lmk if there is anything else you think I should know about. I seriously do care about getting this stuff right for everyone.
-XLC
Well thanks for letting me know!! Guys, I seriously had no idea that this was an issue. I would have expected that more people would want to see ass/hole, but once again, literally ZERO people have told me that, through either my socials or OF DMs. I’ll start regularly adding new ass/hole content to my feed ASAP
Hey man. YES I can absolutely start adding new content showering, flexing, teasing, etc. For the last month or so I’ve been specifically working on beefing up my free content in those areas, and I’ll absolutely keep adding more going forward.
About the solo vids, I’m gonna need some more details: are you suggesting that I release an old solo vid for free every 2 weeks or so? Like for example if someone is subscribed for 2 weeks they’ll get an old PPV for free in addition to the normal offers to buy my new PPVs?
Noted! Thank you for letting me know! And I apologize for not showing more of it thus far. If any of you are currently subscribed, you’ll be seeing new free hole content within the next couple days, and every week going forward
Hey dude! That is a great suggestion. Thank you! I’ve been hearing talk from other creators recently about how this is becoming a more popular option. I’ll go crunch some numbers on this and see if I can find a price point where I can make the VIP page happen. Just for context, the main reasons I haven’t already done this are because of concerns that ppl would subscribe to the VIP page for one month to watch all of my existing content, and would then unsubscribe rather than hanging around to keep getting new content as it is released. My other big concern about that model is how much easier it is for people to steal and leak content vs. in a PPV model. I already found one of my old PPVs that had been stolen and reposted on this site. That really sucks for me, ya know?
I’ve subscribed to DonPopulator for example and his PPVs are roughly $5-7 sometimes $10 and his subscription fee is $5. $10 is usually the subscription price for people who don’t do PPV, but the current OF norm is to have a bunch of short videos to make it seem like you post a lot of full length stuff on the wall and then spam subscribers with PPV.
I mentioned the Amazon wishlist and throne links people have in their bios sometimes to avoid the OF fees. But yeah, like I said before about the locked message, that should be how you send requests or PPVs instead of asking people to tip because you might not be able to deliver on time or you forget. That leaves buyers upset and it’ll cost you subscribers when you get negative reviews.
The reason I say locked messages over tips is because tips are nonrefundable and your entire message history with a creator goes away once the page is deleted. Paid messages show up under purchases forever. I’ve had multiple pages flat out delete after I tipped for a custom and OF refused to refund me.
I personally probably won’t resubscribe to you again because of the high subscription fee and like you said before, there’s no reward for manual renewals. I see that as gaining nothing for the price of one of your PPVs. Maybe if you decide to do away with the PPV model or only limit it to collabs and not cumshots, I’ll reconsider.
Hey man, I’m sorry for the delayed response. I’m still new to this site. Not sure why you aren’t able to DM me, but I’m trying to get my DM settings changed now. In the interim, you can message me at:
- Reddit: u/xlcowboy
- X/twitter: @ xlcowboy001
- Instagram: @ xl.cowboy
- Snap: xl_cowboy
- Telegram: @ xlcowboy
Please feel free to message me on every one of those platforms. I try to stay on top of my DMs, but I get a lot of them, so please keep messaging until you hear from me. I promise I’m keeping an eye out for your DM on all platforms
You make a very fair point about the manual resubscriptions not unlocking the free PPV each month. I apologize, and I will make the change immediately to include manual resubs on the free monthly PPV going forward.
As I said in my previous posts regarding the custom request I failed to fulfill - this was a mistake on my part, but just an honest oversight. I had time to make the custom, and to this day I’m still not sure how this request managed to slip past me. I’m doing everything I can to make the situation right with that person.
I started out by doing customs exactly as you suggested - sending them via locked messages rather than requesting a tip upfront. However, I repeatedly ran into the problem of ppl requesting customs, which I made for them, and they then never paid to unlock. I’m at a loss for what to do in this situation. I understand that it really sucks to be asked to pay upfront for a custom, and there’s always a small chance that something could go wrong and I could fail to deliver, as happened to the gentleman who posted about this situation earlier. Which, once again, I fully take responsibility for, and deeply regret my negligence that has cost him a great deal of frustration and lost money until I’m able to get him repaid. However, on the other hand, it also doesn’t seem smart for me to only send customs through locked messages, since I’ve continued to have problems with ppl not buying the content I made for them when sent in locked messages.
I’m open to any feedback on this topic. I hope you guys see that I’m trying to do the right thing and find a sensible, fair approach to all of this.
You could ask for a deposit upfront or resell the customs at a discount via mass message? That situation I’m unsure of because I’m not a creator, only a subscriber who’s been on the opposite end of that and dealing with incompetent OF support lol
I just checked your OF profile again to refresh myself and there’s nothing in your bio about the PPV/tip to view plan. That should be important to note. It’s probably the reason why people unsubscribe without giving a reason.
Thank you so much for caring enough to follow up on this. That is a perfectly valid point. I will change my OF bio now to clearly mention the PPV pricing structure. If it’s not too much trouble, would you mind checking my bio when you have time in the next day or two to see if the updated wording is satisfactory? Again, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate the feedback on this and the other topics you’ve helped me with
Both are good ideas. I admit I probably should have tried upfront deposits for longer than I did, before moving straight to 100% prepaid on customs. I shied away from that option at the time just because of having to keep separate records off pricing and paid/unpaid balances for each custom. It may be worth the extra effort though, to ensure nobody is ever left holding the bill for unsatisfactory service in any form.
I have tried reselling unpurchased customs through mass DMs in the past, but they never got any traction. Most of the custom requests I receive are fairly specific and individualized in ways that doesn’t really lend them to being mass-marketable.
However, there isn’t always a perfect solution available. The most important thing is customer satisfaction. I’ll continue to work toward improving that with customs and all other areas of my page. Thanks again for the suggestions
-XLC
