Do Bisexual men actually settle down with men?

If all bi men are manipulative conmen and liars just because of your own individual experiences, what does that make all gay men after one tried so hard to get me drunk and kept attempting to make out with me and touch me at a party despite my telling him in no uncertain terms I wasn't interested?

That's the thing about broad brushes, they can paint both ways.
 
what does that make all gay men after one tried so hard to get me drunk and kept attempting to make out with me and touch me at a party despite my telling him in no uncertain terms I wasn't interested?

You leave Kevin Spacey out of this now. He is one of the greatest actors of his generation!
 
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Is it hypocrisy asking for a masc bi/masc gay guys for a relationship being a fem Bi ? However when i ask this question like do i give fem vibes to my friends , my frnds said nope and they kinda never suspected the gay/bi vibes from me, but however i feel i am kinda fem , i donno
 
I don't think anyone should be calling out anything. "Bisexuals" are not a monolithic group and community, the word covers a large swathe of the population who are very different in everything including their activities as bisexuals. The same is true for gay people, the marketing says we are a "community" but we are not really.

And why are you calling us out from that soapbox of yours?

It's not conversion, it's seduction, it's consensual, it's legal, and we wouldn't be doing it if we did not have a high success rate. If you want to concern yourself with what homophobes are thinking, you're in for a surprise at the bottom of that rabbit hole.
Then continue to spin the wheel of prejudice because that's just human behavior, our experiences shapes the way we look at a collective, it happens with how bi men look at gay men and vice versa but this thread is aimed at the former and one of the ways of subverting such is by calling out members of such collective and it's much more effective when that collective is called out by their own member

As for the bolded, I was gonna ask if you live in a bubble but you live in London so I'm not surprised. I'm currently working here in Uganda and Incase you don't know, it's one of the most homophobic countries in the world with homophobes and their ignorant view of gay people, the narrative of "gay people converting straight people" is one of them and you expect the gays who have the opportunity to change such narrative to just fold their arms and sing kumbayaa because " if we concern ourselves with what homophobes are thinking, we are in for a surprise at the bottom of that rabbit hole?" What sort of excuse is this? are you for real right now? Anyway, I honestly don't blame you, you are free so why would you care to check your privilege? This right here is the clash of experiences between a gay man and a bi man, it's one of the reasons why y'all can never understand our struggles. In homophobic countries, you can run to a woman and still use us as your sidepiece, we can't do that because we are not attracted to women so we constantly fight to change such ignorant laws (that y'all finally benefit from when you come out as bi openly but that's another topic for another day) and one of the ways we can do that is getting into convos with the homophobes that signed those laws most of which have been swayed by western and middle eastern religions and some do realize their homophobic stance was monstrous so buddy, it's not all useless like you think and also calling out the gays that give us a bad look, something you clearly know nothing about but "if we concern ourselves with what homophobes are thinking, we are in for a surprise at the bottom of that rabbit hole?"........like I said before, go check your privilege because what you spewed was completely tone deaf
 
Is it hypocrisy asking for a masc bi/masc gay guys for a relationship being a fem Bi ? However when i ask this question like do i give fem vibes to my friends , my frnds said nope and they kinda never suspected the gay/bi vibes from me, but however i feel i am kinda fem , i donno
No it's not hypocrisy of femmephobic, you are attracted to what you are attracted to. Hypocrisy and femmephobia would be you hating your fellow femmes and treating less than because they are feminine
 
I have a question for you. If you happen to fall in love with a man in future which is rare (don't know if you are married currently), will you tell him you are more attracted to women especially looking at your attraction metric so that he knows if he wants to take the plunge? Remember, disclosing you are bisexual is different from telling him the gender you are more attracted to

As for the bolded, we keep hearing the same thing from bisexuals "we aren't all like that", why don't you guys ever call your fellow bi men out giving y'all a bad name? I call out gay men who are attracted to straight men all the time because they arm homophobes with the narrative that gay men wants to "convert" straight men but I've never seen a bisexual person call out their fellow bi person rather it's always the monosexual's fault for being biphobic making it seem like bi people have no fault
Before I answer your question let me ask these questions;

Are all gay men attracted to all men?
Are all lesbians attracted to all women?
Are all straight men attracted to all women?
Are all straight women attracted to all men?

The answer is no.

Do gay men end relationships because they find a more attractive man?
Do lesbians end relationships because they find a more attractive women?
Do straight men end relationships because they find a more physically attractive women?
Do straight women end relationships because they find a more attractive man?

Maybe immature people do, but most relationship end because of a compatibility issue.

There is no simple answer for attraction or relationship duration for bisexual men either; it's not a binary, it's not either or, more or less, it can change (the bi-cycle is real). Attraction is heavily influenced by the individual(s) and all relationship end until one doesn't. The end of all relationships is hard and painful for both people but usually never equally hard or equally painful for both people. Relationships are also not depositions or interrogations under a white hot spotlight. People are imperfect, regardless of the gender or sexuality.

I think Robin Ochs' definition of bisexuality is the most accurate, she says "I call myself bisexual because I acknowledge that I have in myself the potential to be attracted – romantically and/or sexually – to people of more than one gender, not necessarily at the same time, not necessarily in the same way, and not necessarily to the same degree."

Your statement “why don't you guys ever call your fellow bi men out giving y'all a bad name?” Is a loaded statement. A loaded statement is a form of a statement or in some cases a questions, that contains a controversial assumption and or a presumption of guilt. Such statements or questions are sometimes rhetorical tools, the statements or question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda. The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

For the record,

I have never heard a bisexual say "we aren't all like that”.

“why don't you guys ever call your fellow bi men out giving y'all a bad name?” Another loaded statement. Speaking of bad names, nothing worse than a bitchy old queen.

Also for the record, I have never seen or heard you or any other gay man call out a gay man for bad behavior like gay men trying to convert straight men. Ironically that is one of the fastest growing genres in porn right now. I know, I know, porn it’s real and cue the dramatic music as gay men begin to twist themselves into pretzels while clutching their pearls claiming they are the true victims of that porn genre (sorry that was a little snarky but the mental image made me laugh).

Now to your question to me, which was loaded with assumptions, I am not sure why. Can you explain your assumptions about me? I am in a seven, almost 8 year relationship with a man and a woman. They have been married for 25 years. We have been a throuple for about a 1/3 of their marriage and this is my second longest relationship. We do all things couples do. Sometimes all three together, sometime he & me, sometime she and me, sometimes it's the two of them and we each have individual interests and activities that the others don't have that we pursue and enjoy solo or with other friend(s). It's a remarkably normal relationship. We love, care for and are attracted to each other uniquely, equally and differently, sometimes all on the same day. I couldn't say to either of my partners that I am more attracted to men or women. Attraction is unique and individual.

I hope that answers your questions and you have an enjoyable weekend!
 
Before I answer your question let me ask these questions;

Are all gay men attracted to all men?
Are all lesbians attracted to all women?
Are all straight men attracted to all women?
Are all straight women attracted to all men?

The answer is no.

Do gay men end relationships because they find a more attractive man?
Do lesbians end relationships because they find a more attractive women?
Do straight men end relationships because they find a more physically attractive women?
Do straight women end relationships because they find a more attractive man?

Maybe immature people do, but most relationship end because of a compatibility issue.

There is no simple answer for attraction or relationship duration for bisexual men either; it's not a binary, it's not either or, more or less, it can change (the bi-cycle is real). Attraction is heavily influenced by the individual(s) and all relationship end until one doesn't. The end of all relationships is hard and painful for both people but usually never equally hard or equally painful for both people. Relationships are also not depositions or interrogations under a white hot spotlight. People are imperfect, regardless of the gender or sexuality.

I think Robin Ochs' definition of bisexuality is the most accurate, she says "I call myself bisexual because I acknowledge that I have in myself the potential to be attracted – romantically and/or sexually – to people of more than one gender, not necessarily at the same time, not necessarily in the same way, and not necessarily to the same degree."

Your statement “why don't you guys ever call your fellow bi men out giving y'all a bad name?” Is a loaded statement. A loaded statement is a form of a statement or in some cases a questions, that contains a controversial assumption and or a presumption of guilt. Such statements or questions are sometimes rhetorical tools, the statements or question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda. The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

For the record,

I have never heard a bisexual say "we aren't all like that”.

“why don't you guys ever call your fellow bi men out giving y'all a bad name?” Another loaded statement. Speaking of bad names, nothing worse than a bitchy old queen.

Also for the record, I have never seen or heard you or any other gay man call out a gay man for bad behavior like gay men trying to convert straight men. Ironically that is one of the fastest growing genres in porn right now. I know, I know, porn it’s real and cue the dramatic music as gay men begin to twist themselves into pretzels while clutching their pearls claiming they are the true victims of that porn genre (sorry that was a little snarky but the mental image made me laugh).

Now to your question to me, which was loaded with assumptions, I am not sure why. Can you explain your assumptions about me? I am in a seven, almost 8 year relationship with a man and a woman. They have been married for 25 years. We have been a throuple for about a 1/3 of their marriage and this is my second longest relationship. We do all things couples do. Sometimes all three together, sometime he & me, sometime she and me, sometimes it's the two of them and we each have individual interests and activities that the others don't have that we pursue and enjoy solo or with other friend(s). It's a remarkably normal relationship. We love, care for and are attracted to each other uniquely, equally and differently, sometimes all on the same day. I couldn't say to either of my partners that I am more attracted to men or women. Attraction is unique and individual.

I hope that answers your questions and you have an enjoyable weekend!
Gay men get called out all the time trust me they bunch of hos too. O hate this argument because straight leaning bi guys don't even like men just the dick that's all
 
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Gay men get called out all the time trust me they bunch of hos too. O hate this argument because straight leaning bi guys don't even like men just the dick that's all
yawn.... and honestly, trust me, I don't know any bisexual or straight men that just don't like men as an entire group people. If I run into any I will let you know. I cannot say the same for gay men, which is strangely odd to me. Wait, if gay men go for straight men is it just because they like the dick and not the man??? People are funny.

btw, what's wrong with liking dick??? ;)
 
Gay men get called out all the time trust me they bunch of hos too. O hate this argument because straight leaning bi guys don't even like men just the dick that's all
Who would've thought that straight-leaning bi men are straight-leaning? What an unexpected twist!

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5 years ago my answer would be, YES!

But now I don't think so, even the bisexual men I knew and (swore) they were more attracted to men, and said that "they didn't have the patience to deal with women's annoyance", are now dating/married to women, and I know some who humiliate themselves for women and are rejected by them (either because they are bi or effeminate).

I am bisexual with minimal attraction to women and I would NEVER get involved with another bi man, keep in mind that for most bi men, men are good for sex, but not enough to build a life together, and if the guy wants to be father or don't want to deal with homophobia, the chances of you being replaced by another woman are 100/100
 
5 years ago my answer would be, YES!

But now I don't think so, even the bisexual men I knew and (swore) they were more attracted to men, and said that "they didn't have the patience to deal with women's annoyance", are now dating/married to women, and I know some who humiliate themselves for women and are rejected by them (either because they are bi or effeminate).

I am bisexual with minimal attraction to women and I would NEVER get involved with another bi man, keep in mind that for most bi men, men are good for sex, but not enough to build a life together, and if the guy wants to be father or don't want to deal with homophobia, the chances of you being replaced by another woman are 100/100
While gay men a less open to taking the risk of pursuing a long term relationship with a bisexual man today it seems more women are open to relationships with bisexual men than ever before. People tend to gravitate to where they are accepted for who they are. I don't think that makes the bisexual man the villain of the story.

Women Report That Bisexual Men Make Better Lovers, Fathers, and Partners
 
While gay men a less open to taking the risk of pursuing a long term relationship with a bisexual man today it seems more women are open to relationships with bisexual men than ever before. People tend to gravitate to where they are accepted for who they are. I don't think that makes the bisexual man the villain of the story.

Women Report That Bisexual Men Make Better Lovers, Fathers, and Partners
Yeah women also don't like being cheated on by their bi partners either. You really don't understand that
 
like I said before, go check your privilege because what you spewed was completely tone deaf

Give us a bad look? My friend, we are the seeds of Satan in the eyes of many. Even the ever prescient Queer As Folk (original not the wokedup remake) said "there are only 2 types of Straight people in the world... The ones that hate you to your face, and the ones that hate you behind your back".

Obviously this isn't always true, but it is easier to live your life as a homosexual with this as a rule rather than an exception. Nothing you will say or do will ever appease mainstream heterosexual society. We don't have to. So live your life and take what you can get.

I won't "check my privilege" (can't believe you fell back on that meme). We all have the cards we are dealt and our dragons to slay.

We also fundamentally view ourselves differently from what I gather from your posts. I only see/call myself a "homosexual man" for the sake of brevity and not-complicating/overexplaining in my social interactions.

I don't believe homosexuality is an identity. I believe it is a pattern of behavior. I am not a gay man per se as much as I am a man who enjoys doing gay things. By extension, I don't believe "bisexual people" are a thing. So you asking bi people to call other bi people out sounds absurd to me. They are just people.

So when I have sex with "bisexual men", I am in actuality just having sex with another man who enjoys doing gay things from time to time. Language is very powerful, using words like "conversion" can reframe the entire perspective on the matter. It distorts reality which means you can't make informed decisions. There is no "conversion" happening here.

You can call me tone deaf, and I completely understand you and why you would see me this way from your position. I was like you 20 years ago. But if the truth sounds tone deaf or harsh I'm still gonna say it.

Best of luck in Uganda. Don't do anything that will get you jailed or killed there. This world is for the breeders. Work within the system.
 
I know the biphobes in this thread will never believe this but I'd trade being bi for being gay in a fucking heartbeat. At least that way I'd have a shot at having a fulfilling and romantic relationship with a man. But as it is, I fear I'm doomed to only being romantically into women and only sexually into men. If you think that kind of half-existence is a privilege, well, I don't know what to tell you.
 
I know the biphobes in this thread will never believe this but I'd trade being bi for being gay in a fucking heartbeat. At least that way I'd have a shot at having a fulfilling and romantic relationship with a man. But as it is, I fear I'm doomed to only being romantically into women and only sexually into men. If you think that kind of half-existence is a privilege, well, I don't know what to tell you.
You don't even like men as you said multiple times it's the dick you want that's it. Stay with women
 
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Yeah women also don't like being cheated on by their bi partners either. You really don't understand that

Nobody likes to be cheated on. And everyone cheats. You really don't understand that. The plural of anecdote is not data.

Here are some interesting facts and studies about infidelity;

Women in the medical profession are among the highest rates of infidelity.

Infidelity Statistics & Trends 2021 - Who Cheats More?

According to Institute for Family Studies in America democrats, men, black people, people over the age of 65, people who grew up with only one parent and people with only some college education, and those who only go to church once a year are the most likely to cheat.

Who Cheats More? The Demographics of Infidelity in America

I cannot find a single study that supports the claim.belief/myth that bisexual men cheat more than any other sexual orientation nor has anyone been able to produce such a study. If you or anyone has a study that supports those claim I would love to see it. Please share.
 
Nothing you will say or do will ever appease mainstream heterosexual society. We don't have to. So live your life and take what you can get.
Did you even read.........? You know what? Never mind, at least you accept the fact that statement was tone deaf
 
Listen, I'm not going to kink shame you for being into disembodied ghost dicks if that's your deal, but where I'm from, a dick usually comes attached to a man.
You can also get a dildo to satisfy your hunger