Two Words No Longer Allowed To Be Used To Describe Trans People

[deleted848353]

As it turns out, my roommates were not asshole dicks, hesheit was the one that didn’t want to go out.

And this is what is wrong with people and why certain terminology is banned from the site

 

[billybones]

And this is what is wrong with people and why certain terminology is banned from the site

No. This is why people pose questions wrapped in anecdotes. It was years ago and I might not be up on the nomenclature for drag queens.

 

[billybones]

I’m not lumping drag queens, transgendereds and transvestites into one group. Are you?

 

[Scarletbegonia]

News to me. I thought tran*y was a descriptor for a transvestite.

When I got my first grown up job, that required travel and long hours, I lived with two friends who were also gay. I got home from work one afternoon, came in the front door, went upstairs and used the facilities and changed my clothes and then ventured downstairs to make a drink from the bar. I walked into that room and did a surprise jujitsu dance. There was a drag queen sitting in our dining room. 5oclock shadow, pony tail, makeup, sweat pants, sports bra. (And you should have seen what she was wearing!) Almost had to comedy karate chop the bitch! I’ve never taken the martial arts is that point.

My roommates had gone to the grocery store and just left this chick(dude?) sitting there in silence. A very lovely person it turned out. I made us each a drink and we had a conversation until my roommates got home. As it turns out, my roommates were not asshole dicks, hesheit was the one that didn’t want to go out.

My friends and I did have to have a conversation about leaving unattended strangers in the house, though.

ok, just so you know, heshe is a huge insult, now. I know it was early visibility language but we have learned.
They were a lovely person. Unless they told you either she or he, they works splendidly. Especially since anytime one talks to another one uses “you.” A humanizing word.

 

[billybones]

ok, just so you know, heshe is a huge insult, now. I know it was early visibility language but we have learned.
They were a lovely person. Unless they told you either she or he, they works splendidly. Especially since anytime one talks to another one uses “you.” A humanizing word.

I’m afraid you’ve answered the wrong question, my dear. The drag queen in the anecdote had no intention of removing anything. He just liked skirts and padding. And makeup. It’s a true story, by the way. What the hell do you think we talked about until my roommates got home? When she takes out her extensions, he wants to be a man.

 

[Scarletbegonia]

I’m afraid you’ve answered the wrong question, my dear. The drag queen in the anecdote had no intention of removing anything. He just liked skirts and padding. And makeup. It’s a true story, by the way. What the hell do you think we talked about until my roommates got home?

Wtf? what’s all this about removing anything on my side?

and I’m NOT your dear.

 

[billybones]

Wtf? what’s all this about removing anything on my side?

and I’m NOT your dear.

News flash, you’re all ‘my dear’. I will not alter the way I speak whether the person across from me is a man or a woman or a Martian.

removing: transgendered wish to alter their body; transvestites and drag queens wish to alter their appearance - granted for different reasons. If I have to explain the differences, you ain’t as woke as you might think.

 

[Scarletbegonia]

News flash, you’re all ‘my dear’. I will not alter the way I speak whether the person across from me is a man or a woman or a Martian.

removing: transgendered wish to alter their body; transvestites and drag queens wish to alter their appearance - granted for different reasons. If I have to explain the differences, you ain’t as woke as you might think.

I don’t claim to be “woke.”
I know my friends, I know my clientele, I know my family. After that, it’s time to listen and truly hear.

and you are still going on about some...something and red herring-ing the discussion.

 

[Mister2101]

I’m not lumping drag queens, transgendereds and transvestites into one group. Are you?

If you know the difference between drag queens, transgenders and TVs, then why did you bring up this long entry about your interaction with a cross-dresser? This thread is about the offensive use of the terms s--m---'s and T---y's....and acknowledging that many trans women find their use offensive.....no one was really talking about CDs or TVs.......just you...

I've seen your act in other threads......you like to come in and displaying either ignorance or arrogance...or both....try to take over the conversation with your know-it-all and intolerant opinions and views.........every time the conversation then turns antagonistic and ugly.......which is a shame and uncalled for.........

That's my opinion my friend......hope you have a better day....

 

[billybones]

I said I was under the impression that the term in question was used in reference to transvestites, not transgendered.

 

[malakos]

There’s just no excuse to use these words when a majority of trans people find them offensive.

Have there been extensive, methodologically sound surveys showing this to be the case?

 

[malakos]

@Mr. LPSG
if you want to Ban words here that's OK with me.
But IMO you should make a list of them all and put them in ToS, to make it fair that everyone knows what they are,
IMO it's not fair to give warning points when people don't know what is allowed and what's not.

For the record, I agree that prohibited words ought to be listed in the TOS.

For one thing, I don't see any drawback to doing this. The only reason I've seen implicitly used against it is something like "well, you ought to intuitively know". There is apparently some resistance to doing this, seemingly out of a sense that it would acknowledge that the offensiveness of these terms is not ordinary knowledge. It isn't clear to me why this point is particularly important. What is so dangerous about admitting they are not ordinary knowledge? I don't think there is any such danger. That people have different experiences that have prevented them from having this awareness with certain terms is just the reality of the matter.

Another issue is that there actually is some relativity in what is treated as offensive on a cultural / social circle basis. A few posters in this thread commented that they have transsexual friends who appreciate the term tr*nny. I'm personally aware of several popular YouTubers like this who invite their fans to likewise use the term in jest. In some cases it's conceivable that someone wouldn't even be aware that it is often received as offensive. Same exact thing goes for f*g(got). Further, there's a vast diversity of racial/ethnic terms seen as derogatory in some circles and not others. Listing the most common ones wouldn't hurt, nor would allowing a little laxity in informing those who mistakenly use less well known ones (like the example that was brought up earlier in the thread with the P*ki slur).

Providing a list of banned words up front would simply make the situation clearer, which I think the site should be aiming to be as clear as possible with the TOS. It would also increase the sense of responsibility involved in restricting using these terms. Instead of erroneously expecting people to be aware of the offensiveness of terms like tr*nny, the admins could expect that a poster should be aware by virtue of having read the TOS. I don't see any good reason why the site administration should ever want to opt for obscurity in its expectations of its members.

 

[malakos]

other insults are allowed, such as ginger. I’m not bitching. It just tells me who to avoid.

This is another example of an offensive term that isn't widely known and it would seem is somewhat relative. I wasn't aware of it having a common insulting connotation. I dated a redheaded guy for years and he used the term ginger to describe himself and never indicated any problems with others using it.

 

[Scarletbegonia]

This is another example of an offensive term that isn't widely known and it would seem is somewhat relative. I wasn't aware of it having a common insulting connotation. I dated a redheaded guy for years and he used the term ginger to describe himself and never indicated any problems with others using it.

Honestly, I’m not sure how it got popular in the US. When I heard it used in the UK, southern England in particular, the tone showed it was meant as an insult.

 

[Big_a_20]

Have there been extensive, methodologically sound surveys showing this to be the case?

I am not aware of any particular survey, but various members from the trans community, public and private figures have shared their disgust for this term for its negative connotation with heteronormative society. I’m all for freedom of speech but there are certain words you don’t use out of basic human respect and we all know what they are unless you were raised by wolves or loved on the moon for several years and this is your first day on earth. It’s just an awareness of correct vocabulary and vernacular.

 

[Scarletbegonia]

This, from the Terms and Rules (link at the bottom of EVERY page), is more than adequate, given how quickly language morphs.
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1. 
   Hate Speech will not be tolerated: Content which primary purpose is to incite or promote hatred towards an identifiable group: Hate speech - Wikipedia
   
   Inappropriate language that is sexist, racist, phobic or otherwise derogatory is not permitted. Name-calling is not permitted.
   
   Sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc. are not permitted.
   • LPSG is an inclusive site and is safe for all genders and orientations.

 

[Candela]

I appreciate this feedback. A very close friend of mine owns Grooby and I would consider him the king of Trans porn. Not only that he has done more for trans performers than anyone else I know. I'm waiting to hear back from him regarding this.

I agree wordplay is a big thing. I alluded to that recently in a thread where a few users were knocking performers who were using "fag" in their videos even though the performers were using it in dirty talk that was specifically created for the user(s).

That said now it has been brought to my attention I can see 100% how "tr-a-nny" is an issue. What are your reasons for thinking "she-male" is different from that? I'm opening to hearing them. I haven't been able to come up with any.

Seems like everything that is said today is offensive!
What one person says, Another hates!

 

[deleted848353]

Thought this was about the terms not to be used for trans people not every other word that may be offensive

 

[Scarletbegonia]

For anyone that cares, M****ts and D***Fs are also wrong in todays world!
They are now known as "Little People"

Dwarfism is still acceptable as it is the cause, not the individual.

 

[cherryboom66]

News flash, you’re all ‘my dear’. I will not alter the way I speak whether the person across from me is a man or a woman or a Martian.

removing: transgendered wish to alter their body; transvestites and drag queens wish to alter their appearance - granted for different reasons. If I have to explain the differences, you ain’t as woke as you might think.

Actually no. You can be trans whilst not doing a damn thing to your body. Everyone’s journey is different... but that’s besides the point.