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Basically the point I made, that it seems you guys could not understand is that...



they're are actual standards and characteristics and features that actually make a man's face attractive that can be measured or compared.


A man's face is the most important thing for physical attraction, science has proven this, if you do not have an attractive face to the girl, then they'res almost nothing that can make up for that beyond money ( prostitution ) or drugs ( prostitution again just in a different way ), or having high status ( being a pro athlete or famous star )



Any other physical characteristic a man has is a bonus, or can appeal to girls with a fetish for it in their niche.



Women want a man with an attractive face, that's what they really want.


They do not care about your personality, or behavior, PUA does not work, a women looks at your face for a few seconds and is able to analyze whether or not you are of genetic quality.


Because of men's high sex drive, and women's low sex drive ( caused by men having 10X more testosterone, one of the primary hormones for sex drive ) a man desires and wants sex more then a female, and thus men start hitting on women below them in looks often, combine female wearing make up and most relationships are hypergamous with the women dating up, with the man naturally having better genetics and being better looking then the women, and making more money as well.


Because of this, if you have a 7/10 above average face, and you are cold approaching women at a bar or club you will have more success going for women who are 2 or 3 points below you in looks, basically a 4/10 chubby girl or a 5/10 average looking girl, if your an in shape guy with a good face.


If you want a long term relationship with a girl you know you still will likely have to date down about a point, if you have good status and money and actually know the girl through her friends and are accepted by the group you might be able to date in the same league, where a 7/10 male can get a 7/10 female.


Dating up as a man, is almost impossible unless you have high money or status, basically if your an average looking man and you want to have sex with highly attractive women, your only bet is to increase your physique, and find a way to become famous or make a bunch of money.




Almost all of this has scientific backing, a long with obvious real life experience as well.






Now what determines if a man's face is attractive?




Dark facial features ( dark hair, dark brows, tan skin )

a compact midface ( not a long nose and the distance between the eyes and lips is not far )

a prominent chin and jaw ( no receding chin or jaws )

clear clean skin

a full head of hair, with a norwood 2 or better hairline

masculine eye shape ( almond shaped eyes ) with a neutral canthal tilt or slighty positive canthal tilt

a thick neck

a wide square jaw

a long masculine chin

masculine not big lips



Here are pictures of men with highly attractive faces.


These men, could be skinny, they could be short, they could be of average endowment, they could have an average job, or make an average amount of money, however because of their face they will be able to attract a ton of women easily.


The irony of what I just said above though is that men who have attractive faces, tend to have higher prenatal test and better hormone levels and better genetics, and thus would be more athletic and more endowed anyway, and obviously having a better looking face helps when it comes to making money.

http://www.sparkplugging.com/sparkplug-ceo/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/shout-out-colins-head-shot.jpg

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/images/2007b/eduardo.JPG

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/williamlevy_112.jpg

http://z3.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p368998/kurde.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9241/laios2point0.jpg

It's science women react to attractive male faces, as they are signs of good prenatal hormonal levels, and health and good genetics as well.
 
The next point about female hypergamy, is that women have it much easier in the dating market.


Because of men's high sex drive compared to a women's, a man typically has to do the approaching, a man typically has to deal with a ton of rejections, a man has to date down and lower his standards to get any sort of sex.


A fat women can demand in shape men, an old women can demand younger men, a women can wear a wig and demand men with hair, and society will accept this and think it's normal.

While their male equivalent is almost an automatic incel because of these traits.



The more issues a female has the more she is likely to be hit on any way because the really highly attractive girls are intimidating and scary to most men as most men known they will likely be rejected, where as a chubby girl in tight pants and make up, looks easy to most guys... thus most guys will choose to approach the chubby girl in tight pants, which gives her more options, and thus she raises her standards and will only accept men with male model faces.




Anyone who denies hypergamy, is denying basic science...


chances are any times you got into a relationship with a women, you were a lot better then her genetically and in terms of looks, money or status.


Most women wear make up, which increases their looks, the average women without make up does not look special in anyway, yet make up encourages hypergamy.


Here are some links on hypergamy...

Hypergamy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

here is a chart that explains it...

http://www.hookingupsmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Hypergamy.jpg

now you might say to yourself, why are you posting this here?



Because I want an end to hypergamy...

I'm tired of seeing a bunch of fat and ugly females around, with awful genetics, I think that fat women should be fined until they reach a healthy bodyweight, and I want men around the world to either go MGTOW, or have sex with only attractive women or escorts.


The average American women weights about 165 lbs now, yet women have it much easier then men in terms of sex and dating... why are fat women being given a free pass?
 
Ok Usually I would refrain from wasting my time responding to a post like this. However this fool needs a wake up call.

Firstly you have no right calling anyone overweight when your ass doesn't have any pictures up. So as long as you are hiding behind your greyed out default picture you can shut your mouth.

Secondly your facts don't add up. The majority of women in my personal acquaintance date guys who are in terrible shape compared to them. I personally have never once dated a guy who was in shape/ thin. I take very good care of my body. Should I be upset that "Fat men" are with beautiful girls. It is up to the person whom they date and whom they are attracted to.

Your statement that "fat women" are given a free pass is what got a little under my skin. You have no idea the amount of pressure to which women are subjected to concerning their appearance. We are told that if you do not wear your hair a certain way or have a certain waist size that you aren't attractive. That if you have freckles you better pack on the make up and cover them up because they are unappealing. Breast not a decent size? better get some work done. All of this and more are what women have to deal with. Therefore saying we get a free pass is an invalid statement.

You want to talk about modeling. I modeled a bit in my teen years. I have also been asked to do work recently and all throughout college while living in new york by different agencies. I however hate the modeling industry because of how superficial everyone is. You are a reminder to me of how terrible some of the people in that business are. I have never condescended to tell a person they were overweight and yet I have been in the same environment as you ( minus the sex cam thing).

Being attracted to personality isn't something people have grown out of. I don't care what the guy looks like if I have a connection with them. Of course there are things that women find attractive on a man. The same thing with Men, they have things they find attractive about a woman. Just because all of those things aren't in the person they are with doesn't mean they are dating down.

You want to use the internet as a veil to hide behind so you can say the things you want to people who dont deserve them. I kept this really nice. I had to re-edit a few times to keep from going full on Bitch mode on your ass.
 
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Jasibella said:
Ok Usually I would refrain from wasting my time responding to a post like this. However this fool needs a wake up call.

Firstly you have no right calling anyone overweight when your ass doesn't have any pictures up. So as long as you are hiding behind your greyed out default picture you can shut your mouth.

Secondly your facts don't add up. The majority of women in my personal acquaintance date guys who are in terrible shape compared to them. I personally have never once dated a guy who was in shape/ thin. I take very good care of my body. Should I be upset that "Fat men" are with beautiful girls. It is up to the person whom they date and whom they are attracted to.

Your statement that "fat women" are given a free pass is what got a little under my skin. You have no idea the amount of pressure to which women are subjected to concerning their appearance. We are told that if you do not wear your hair a certain way or have a certain waist size that you aren't attractive. That if you have freckles you better pack on the make up and cover them up because they are unappealing. Breast not a decent size? better get some work done. All of this and more are what women have to deal with. Therefore saying we get a free pass is an invalid statement.

You want to talk about modeling. I modeled a bit in my teen years. I have also been asked to do work recent and all throughout college while living in new york by different agencies. I however hate the modeling industry because of how superficial everyone is. You are a reminder to me of how terrible some of the people in that business are. I have never condescended to tell a person they were overweight and yet I have been in the same environment as you ( minus the sex cam thing).

Being attracted to personality isn't something people have grown out of. I don't care what the guy looks like if I have a connection with them. Of course there are things that women find attractive on a man. The same thing with Men, they have things they find attractive about a woman. Just because all of those things aren't in the person they are with doesn't mean they are dating down.

You want to use the internet as a veil to hide behind so you can say the things you want to people who dont deserve them. I kept this really nice. I had to re-edit a few times to keep from going full on Bitch mode on your ass.
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Fail, because the first thread I made on this site, was posting my pics, and I have already said that if you click my profile you can see a topic I made with pics of me when I was 19 years old, and that I work as a web cam model.


http://www.lpsg.com/348350-picture-of-me-when-i.html


Also I have the right to call her overweight based on her picture, because she is indeed overweight, even if I wasn't ripped or in good shape I would still be able to objectively say that she is overweight anyway.





What is even more fail is that you state that most women are dating guys in worse shape then them, this doesn't even make sense from a scientific or biological standpoint.


The average women in America has 30+% bodyfat, and according to the CDC the average women has a 28.7 BMI, the average man has a 28.6 BMI keep in mind that 25 is the barrier for being overweight. Yes a 0.1 difference is not much but keep in mind that men typically workout and get more muscular which makes their bodyweight go up, a women does not

( a women who worksout to get muscular does not have the hormones naturally required to bulk up to be overweight and still be in shape unless they use drugs to get more muscular )


if a women is overweight in BMI it's almost always a guarantee that she is fat, if a man is overweight he could be muscular or have a big bone structure.


The mean for a women's height in America is 5'3", and the mean for her weight is 166 lbs, do you know how fat that is?

Here's a picture of a women who is around those sizes

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c142/kentat/IMG_0445.jpg



http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_11/sr11_252.pdf


They'res proof.



Oh also when ever I go into the gym...



I see the same men in there for hours almost day in and day out, these same men are lifting 300+, or 400+ lbs often, and working hard day in and day out, and they are dieting hard and some are using performance enhancing drugs.


It's basically they're life, as the majority of them do not have girlfriends and are not having sex.


Where as the females in the gym, go on the treadmill for 10 minutes, and then probably go home and eat like a pig anyway, and can get sex within a minute.






Men biologically are in much better shape then women...

men are healthier, and can survive in tougher conditions

have lower bodyfat percentage

more muscle

stronger

taller

can run faster

can jump higher

almost any time that a women is with a man she is in worse physical shape then him.




I can't remember the last time I saw a physically fit female who goes to the gym and works out with a man who was out of shape, as a matter of fact if a women is in good shape she demands her man be in better shape anyway.


Your in delusion if you think that girls are in better shape then their partners usually, if you are under 25 years old these days being ripped is a basic requirement to not be an incel and to get laid if you have a sub 8 ( non male model face ) as a man these days.




Also for a women to be considered in shape by society, she just needs to not be fat, she doesn't need muscularity, definition, strength...


where as if a man is just skinny with no muscle he is a joke to both men and women.


For a man to be considered in shape, he needs to be athletic, and have muscle, have good genetics in having wide shoulders, and thin hips, and to have low bodyfat, which to gain muscle you need to eat more, which in turn makes you gain fat so again for a man to be in shape, he needs to work hard and have good genetics, for a women to be in shape she just needs to not eat like a whale.



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Any female can work as a model these days, I am a man and I worked in modelling as a kid because my mom works for a talent agency, and she got me into the job.



Almost all women claim to be models, because they know a guy who is a photographer and takes pictures of them in weird cool poses, then they claim to be a model but the truth is, if your not making legit money from it then your not a good model.



Looking at your pics, I can't zoom in, but my physique far surpasses yours, your male equivalent's physique is average skinny fat, I'm ripped as fuck with sub 10% bodyfat and 15 inch arms, so again if we were a couple I would be in much better shape then you. Do you understand that?





Also about personality, as long as the person doesn't have mental issues, and is not mean or treats people poorly, then their personality really does not matter much. No amount of personality, can make up for a lack of sexual attraction.


If personality mattered more then looks, why would men be put in the friends zone in the first place? Was it their lack of personality that didn't allow them to have sex with you, if it was... then why are you friends with them in the first place if you don't like their personality? Or was it the fact that you don't like their looks?


Men are honest, when they say that they like women because they are sexually attracted to them, a man is honest when he says that he likes a women's ass or tits...


where as a women is dishonest, she will say she likes intelligence, a guy who is nice and treats her right, and that she wants a guy who is funny, when in reality she is fucking top level athletes who treat her like garbage ( as they should because a top level athlete is above the average women anyway ), and who pumps and dumps her ( as she belongs ) then they will go and complain that all men are assholes to their friend zoned male friends who she won't have sex with, but would treat her nicer then the top level athlete that she fucks anyway.
 
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You're a funny guy! You can't get any girls because you're a twat mate.

There I saved you a load of thinking time, not sure you've got anything useful to do within that saved time but it's my gift to you nonetheless.
 
ITT: rampant homophone abuse, blatant generalizations, "fat" shaming (uh, SK is NOT fat), and proof positive why I NEVER wanna go check out a male webcam model site.
 
It is too bad this has gotten into discussions of weight and attractiveness. Is was hoping there might be,some discussion of the apparent scientific conclusion that women have a higher sex drive,than men, contrary to the general thought on this board. I was most interested in the thoughts of the ladies.
 
Once again, contrary to popular male belief, "women" is not a collective super entity. Every woman has her own unique needs and wants, just as men do.

That said, it is true, some of us men lack a basic understanding of how the female sexual system works.
 
dramlick said:
It is too bad this has gotten into discussions of weight and attractiveness. Is was hoping there might be,some discussion of the apparent scientific conclusion that women have a higher sex drive,than men, contrary to the general thought on this board. I was most interested in the thoughts of the ladies.
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I don't think it's possible to know what women want simply because we all want some thing different. I probably think about sex within a five minute time span throughout each day. Are my thoughts more sexually deviant than a man's, quite possibly.

Do I want to have sex with a train of different men, doubtful...*shudders.* Do I think about having sex with a couple of men at once, maybe. Do I think I'm more likely to orgasm from having sex with more than one man at a time... no.

I think that my libido isn't really worthy of scienitific research, I want to have sex. I want to have a lot of sex all the time, with whom I want it with <<<<< key finding between myself and the female monkeys when they made their selection... just sayin'.
 
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Enid said:
Laidey, preach! Same for me. If I don't masturbate in the morning and night on a day when I know I'm not having sex, I go crazy.
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Sex? What's that you say? I know my sex drive is higher than it's ever been. I always want orgasms, they are like a glutonous gimme, gimme, gimme, can I has some more please:tongue: Though I admit to having zero person sex in forevers, total choice. Though women can seemingly pick from any number of peens... I find the the persons they are attached to sadly lacking. Settles in for pseudomindsex fantasies :biggrin1:
 
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i would be all boohiss this thread sucks...

BUT!!

Ms. Enid and Ms. Laidey were kind enough to being a basket of badass to the proceedings.
*cheers and stamps feet*

so... awesome thread :tongue1:
 
From my experience they want friendship and respect. Those two things have given me more female companionship than anything else. I make love to them based on those two principles.
 
RippedStaten, at first I thought you were joking.. But you're for real!
My face is prolly a 4/10 on my best day, I'm not ripped, I don't work out, I do have a lot of hair and I wear glasses.
But I've Never had a problem getting women. Do you know why? Because I know what women want. And it's NONE of the things you've been describing.

Women want a man who makes them feel wonderful. He's fun to be around, comfortable to talk to, understanding about her feelings, strong when she feels weak, understanding when she's confused. He makes her feel sexy in her own skin, and brings out the best in her, just by being himself.
Then and only then, If he happens to have extra physical elements that she likes.. Then, it's a bonus.
If you're hung like a horse, and want a woman who likes the big one... It's foolish to lead with your cock. You lead with your personality, and once she's into you, really into you, her perversions will start to meld with hers. She'll pick up on your penis pride, and she'll adopt it as her own. Next thing you know, she'll be your biggest fan.
It's not 'what' you are, it's who you are that matters to a woman. The rest will follow.
 
BB47 said:
RippedStaten, at first I thought you were joking.. But you're for real!
My face is prolly a 4/10 on my best day, I'm not ripped, I don't work out, I do have a lot of hair and I wear glasses.
But I've Never had a problem getting women. Do you know why? Because I know what women want. And it's NONE of the things you've been describing.

Women want a man who makes them feel wonderful. He's fun to be around, comfortable to talk to, understanding about her feelings, strong when she feels weak, understanding when she's confused. He makes her feel sexy in her own skin, and brings out the best in her, just by being himself.
Then and only then, If he happens to have extra physical elements that she likes.. Then, it's a bonus.
If you're hung like a horse, and want a woman who likes the big one... It's foolish to lead with your cock. You lead with your personality, and once she's into you, really into you, her perversions will start to meld with hers. She'll pick up on your penis pride, and she'll adopt it as her own. Next thing you know, she'll be your biggest fan.
It's not 'what' you are, it's who you are that matters to a woman. The rest will follow.
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Yeah and where is your proof of this?



Everything I say has scientific backing, and real world experience.


If a women does not like your looks, what hope do you have of getting her? Why would she waste her time with a guy who does not have the looks that she likes, when she has 100s of other options?



The issue is because of female hypergamy, and the difference between a man and a women's sex drive that an out of shape fat women who would be considered a 4/10, can hold out and easily go without sex... until she finds a 7/10 or 8/10 ripped guy who is on a dry streak and is horny and drunk, and then get pumped and dumped by him.



She can do this 1000s of times, very easily, where as the male equivalent a fat guy who is out of shape with a below average face, is not able to have sex with women who are even in his own league as the fat women will reject him when he goes to approach her anyway.





Anyone who has actually talked to girls or approached girls, knows that if you directly approach her and show sexual interest the majority of the time your going to get rejected within the first minute, because she did not like your looks, and no matter what unless your a male model the majority of girls will not like your looks anyway.





A women won't get to know you, when she already made up her mind and rejected you in the first place, how is she supposed to get to know your personality and how are you supposed to make her feel good, when she rejects you within the first minute?



A guy with a 4/10 face aesthetics is almost always going to be an incel unless he has high money or status or something to make up for his lack of face aesthetics.
 
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