Why are they trying to force sexual fluidity onto gay men

[Beegun84]

The term has already exist: gold star gays and platinum star gays.

For example: in A Single Man, Colin Firth's character has had sex with Julianne Moore's character in the past but his (dead) partner played by Matthew Goode was a gold star gay, as Colin's character says "he is so sure of himself".

The main problem with Hollywood (until VERY recently) have always been that the portrayals of gayness/homosexuality is about the "lifestyle": promiscuity, drug addicts, HIV+, discrimination etc which is basically all the plots in Queers As Folk and that's all they do... until 2019 or so. All gay Oscar bait movies are either AIDS movies or biopics or some other misery generator.

One more to add to the list: Can't Live WIthout You (2022) the gay couple did break up and it's revealed the main character is a psycho but the MC's fiance doesn't end up with the MC's sister by the end of the movie although they did have a baby together.

And since 2017-2018 there's obviously a directive from the top that ALL LGBT "notables" (note: part of the system) need to post something to push sexual fluidity into the LGBT community itself. It's all on social media.

There's one movie that sum up the whole fluidity and harmful gender agenda for the LGBT+ community: Everyday (2018)
This movie was pushed solely to LGBT teenagers mainly in North America and the UK back in 2018.

 

[dreambridger]

For example: in A Single Man, Colin Firth's character has had sex with Julianne Moore's character in the past but his (dead) partner played by Matthew Goode was a gold star gay, as Colin's character says "he is so sure of himself".

oh man, i forgot about that movie. wasn't a fan. very up its own ass with its "profound ironies". Colin Firth's performance was pretty good though, i remember.

 

[Fletcher Christian]

Because you see it everywhere in gay TV shows they have The gay male character have sex with a woman to discuss sexual fluidity. there’s a Broadway play called "cock" with the guy from Kingsman playing a gay guy who fell in love with a woman. sex shops are selling pussy toys to gay men and gay porn they have an so-called openly gay men having sex with women. It’s like they pushing this straight agenda onto gay men but they’re not doing that to lesbian women because if they try to do that to lesbian the lesbian women will be upset. they are literally try to erase the G to change it into a umbrella term. The whole queer community has a strong hatred towards gay men in a try to say they going after white gay men but they’re actually going after gay man of every race. They try to maké bisexual pansexual and whatever new label they come up with popular and try to get rid of the existence of gay men who are the foundation of the LGBT community. they literally using homophobia against gay men and homophobic tactics like gay men are misogynistic for not dating a woman or having sex with a woman. The weird queer community is trying to say that game and are living in a box because they do not wanna have sex with a woman how we are living in a box and we are living outside the box of normalcy they trying to literally trying to push us back in the box pushes back in the closet I thought I heard is homophobic conversion therapy rhetoric from the right wingers but now I’m hearing this same homophobic stuff from the left-wing as well this is getting freaking ridiculous

I would ask why gender fluidity is being pushed onto society, more than this. The erasure of gay men and biological women

 

[006]

fluidity flies against the struggle to claim identity for many older gays. We fought against arguments that we can change our sexuality, fluidity implies we can.

This rings true for me too. The “ you just haven’t met the right girl yet”, or “how do you know you’re gay if you’ve never even tried being with a woman” arguments.

 

[006]

No, you didn't explicitly say that you would throw anyone under the bus - its just your entire line of reasoning that makes that point. You appear to acknowledge that sexual fluidity is a real thing that effects actual people, but you are happy for that to have no visibility because you are afraid of any risk to what you consider to be advances for gay rights .. if that aint throwing people under the bus then you are gonna have to explain how it's not.

And nope - there is no equivellence here vis a vis me throwing anyone under the bus, you're just not paying attention. Visibility for sexually fluid people is visibility for sexuality that counters the dominant straight narrative. That lifts all boats. its your contention that any narrative that suggests anyone can be fluid with their sexuality automagically means the argument that everyone can be fluid with their sexuality will be used to counter any gay rights advances>

Saying this is horseshit isn't anecdotal. Its obviously wrong. Again ..literally no one has ever suggested that everyone is fluid and not one single law has ever been written to advance gay rights that rests on the assumption that being gay is absolutely 100 % immutable for every single gay man.
We have made advances in this regard because of the combination of religion being removed from laws, constitutional privileges being applied more fairly and a lack of evidence to suggest that being gay or bi is something that should carry a social stigma.

Trying a vagina for the first time doesn't make someone sexually fluid - Jesus christ if you can't even argue with respect to the subject matter - what is the point here?

I gave you context around what I said about how sexual fluidity works - the primary point being that it rarely results in sexuality "swinging like a pendulum" I also said its rare .. and who the fuck cares about any of that ?

Once again - no one has ever been granted a human right based on some immutable characteristic of thier sexuality .. there is either a reason accepts a thing or reject it based on the merits of that thing.

Every single argument you have made is absolutely fear based.

If we accept the facts that sexual fluidity is uncommon - is real and effects actual people - what rational argument would anyone ever have not to have this represented ?

I’m not sure how “rational” the current Republican Party is, so yes I can see this fear-based argument being used on right wing media.

 

[Nomebear]

Why we build a gay community,
It's because Gay people are attacked by discriminators every single day
News , social media （you guys knew what happened)

So don't put this sexsual fluidity crap on us it doesn't work

Real gay men know the boundaries !!!!

Yes! And, hell yes!

 

[michael_3165]

Who are these "they"? I don't see it personally.

 

[michael_3165]

Why does it matter what other people say they are? Has no bearing on me.

 

[nhguy78]

This rings true for me too. The “ you just haven’t met the right girl yet”, or “how do you know you’re gay if you’ve never even tried being with a woman” arguments.

Can you imagine the attempted erasure of asexual people by gay men who tell me that I just haven't met the right guy?

 

[nhguy78]

Why we build a gay community,
It's because Gay people are attacked by discriminators every single day
News , social media （you guys knew what happened)

So don't put this sexsual fluidity crap on us it doesn't work

Real gay men know the boundaries !!!!

Boundaries? You mean like not taking "no" for an answer? Sexual assault is a problem in gay community.

 

[nhguy78]

Growing up as a "gay" man in a small, rural, farming and ranching community was rough. I was born this way. It's like eye color, being left handed, hair parting on one side rather than another, the color of my skin, and etc., I did not have a choice then, nor do I have a choice today.

Bisexuals in the community could pass for straight, and were married, but hit on me every chance they could. Why? Because I could pass for straight, was a cowboy, a rancher, and served time in the Army. I was also a mechanic, builder, electrician, and heavy equipment operator. No, I didn't hang drapes, do hair, sew, have a lisp, or walk funny, so how could I possibly be gay?

I couldn't trust any of the local switch hitters, because they'd no sooner throw me under the bus before they'd let anyone find out about their true nature. That didn't mean that I went without in the community, but after plowing some dude for three hours straight, I'd see him out with his lady friend holding hands, and he'd never acknowledge me while he was with her, or in a public place. If I mentioned it to him later, the response was: "Well, that's just how it is." I can't remember how many times I was the "best man". I'd be standing there in my rented tux for a man whom I topped mere hours before the wedding. This went on, and on, and on. I sold out and moved away.

Recently, I went back for a visit and no a g-damned thing has changed. An old acquaintance did not want me visiting him because people might suspect he was gay. Oh please! Now, the fucker is dying and wants to see me. Well guess what? I don't have the time.

This is more of a testament of closet cases and allies who don't really care about except when convenient.

 

[nhguy78]

真正的男同性戀者從不性侵犯他人
你懂的
生活已經夠苦了，何必去惹麻煩呢？

I can't disagree with you there.

 

[006]

Can you imagine the attempted erasure of asexual people by gay men who tell me that I just haven't met the right guy?

If true, it sucks doesn’t it?

 

[JayCeeC]

How have we come so far and not learned yet to mind our own business and steer clear of trying to define other people’s representation of gender identities and sexuality? Gay man, lesbians, bisexuals, non-binary, asexuals, and any combination thereof can exists, and they can exist in permanent or fluid states simultaneously in the same universe and community. No one is trying to erase anyone else by declaring and defining their own truth or identity, and it only shows ironic intolerance in people from the same community trying to define or deny identities that don’t belong to them. Mind your own, and life as full and happy a life as you can muster. That is all.

 

[Smallteaplant]

How have we come so far and not learned yet to mind our own business and steer clear of trying to define other people’s representation of gender identities and sexuality? Gay man, lesbians, bisexuals, non-binary, asexuals, and any combination thereof can exists, and they can exist in permanent or fluid states simultaneously in the same universe and community. No one is trying to erase anyone else by declaring and defining their own truth or identity, and it only shows ironic intolerance in people from the same community trying to define or deny identities that don’t belong to them. Mind your own, and life as full and happy a life as you can muster. That is all.

In my opinion this is made under the assumption that “queerness” or that anything that is not heterosexual is tolerated or accepted. We know that is not the case as LGBT+ communities are being called groomers.

The whole idea of fluid sexuality or sexual identity would kill the question of gay rights. If sexuality is fluid, why should it be protected under law?

why not create an environment where people are encouraged to lead heterosexual lives mush as possible.

 

[chrisrobin]

I'm confused with all these "handles".
To me its gay, straight or bi and those waiting to change sex with an operation - all these other handles are just a convenient way of ducking the truth

 

[DrFlash]

"Homo-flexibles" haven't found their hard-on yet. I remember the day I said "I found my 'wolf-whistle' at long last". I no longer lived in 'pastelle-land'. I fully knew who I loved.

 

[Nomebear]

I can't disagree with you there.

Exactly! 确切地！

 

[Lil dog]

why? because what is good for the goose is good for the gander?

 

[Brodie888]

I believe a lot of it is a call to the silent majority. The bisexuals who have always been forced by the gay and straight communities to pick a side.

For too long, some gay and straight people have seen bisexuality as simply a gateway for closeted gay men to come out. This is true, but there is a much bigger number who are actually a shade of bisexual who enjoy both to varying degrees.

These shows are trying to make people aware that bisexuals can have relationships or even just sex with any gender and that it is normal for these people.

It's not erasure of gay identity. It's an acceptance that there are real bisexuals who never really identified as gay.