Anterior or posterior fornix?

[AlteredEgo]

Anything for science!

 

[RawDog]

Goddamn! I love the women here!!

 

[gunnaknow]

It feel like more of a relief than any other kind. After, I feel so satisfied (though sometimes simultaneously hungry for more. To me, the most significant difference is the way I feel right before orgasm, and how much longer I feel like I'm still building up to something, but already beyond the point of no return. When I get close to my cds orgasm, I feel like I have to have it. I really can't move much in the 45 seconds or so before it hits. After, I feel like I fought for something with my whole being, and got it. Right before, the need to come is so urgent. I think this urgency is the source of my relief when when do climax.

I'm exhausted. SO, I hope this is easy to understand. If not, I'll try to clear it up later

Thanks. You didn't say where the orgasmic spasms were compared to other types of orgasms. Does it make the uterus and cervix spasm more than other orgasms? I've been thinking that this spot might be so erogenous because it would encourage women to select for men that could deliver the sperm in the deepest region. The sperm would naturally flow back down the vagina, so it would be advantagous to deliver the sperm beyond the cervix. I've also been thinking that orgasms from this region might cause the uterus and cervix to spasm more, as a means to uptake more sperm and naturally select for the genetics of men with longer penises. Any thoughts people?

 

[Mr. Sensitive]

The scientificbent of this discussion is hilarious. Thank you all for your earnest contributions to this most important topic.

gunnaknow: the blue box in the second image is the colon. in the third image you've marked either the sigmoid colon else the small intestine. these images aren't helpful because the vagina really needs to be tented to get a sense of the structure. also, i believe in only minority of woman we'd see the kind of ridge or narrowing that i associate with a popping sensation.

petite: thanks for posting the diagram. that's most helpful. it inspired me to try to find a description of the four or five different categories of uterine placement. but no luck so far. makes me wonder if there's a correlation between between having a retroverted uterus and discomfort with deep penetration.

RawDog: love your description but it doesn't correspond to my experience. when i felt a popping sensation it wasn't because of a vaginal spasm. it was just a question of angle and fit and something that could be easily repeated. also, while some woman can clamp down with their deep vaginal muscles most can't, either involuntarily or with conscious effort.

 

[AlteredEgo]

Thanks. You didn't say where the orgasmic spasms were compared to other types of orgasms.

That's because I don't know. :biggrin1: I'll pay attention in the future.

 

[petite]

petite: thanks for posting the diagram. that's most helpful. it inspired me to try to find a description of the four or five different categories of uterine placement. but no luck so far. makes me wonder if there's a correlation between between having a retroverted uterus and discomfort with deep penetration.

All women will tell you that a penis that is too long for them hurts. There is just a limit to how much a vagina can take, and that limit is different from vagina to vagina.

I found descriptions of 5 uterus positions, depending not just on the tilt, but the "bend" of the uterus in that position. There may be more position names than that. I read that a uterus that is tilted and bent towards the spine can cause pain during intercourse, but that's not how mine was tilted. Besides, during pregnancy the uterus returns to the normal position as the womb grows, so it's not currently tilted. I was just reporting what it was like before I got pregnant.

 

[Mr. Sensitive]

petite: thanks. I think i'm beginning to understand, although doesn't retroverted by definition mean that the uterus is tilting towards the spine? I suppose it's a question of degree. My initial assumption was that with a retroverted uterus the penis would be more likely to hit the cervix or the anterior fornix. But now i'm guessing that except in extreme cases the partners will be able to position themselves such that the penis will slide between the uterus and spine towards the cds.

i confess i have no earthly notion of the uterine tilt of any of my partners. all i know is that with some women i was more likely to bump the cervix, especially near ovulation, than with others. and women have reacted very differently to "bottoming out."

 

[petite]

petite: thanks. I think i'm beginning to understand, although doesn't retroverted by definition mean that the uterus is tilting towards the spine? I suppose it's a question of degree. My initial assumption was that with a retroverted uterus the penis would be more likely to hit the cervix or the anterior fornix. But now i'm guessing that except in extreme cases the partners will be able to position themselves such that the penis will slide between the uterus and spine towards the cds.

i confess i have no earthly notion of the uterine tilt of any of my partners. all i know is that with some women i was more likely to bump the cervix, especially near ovulation, than with others. and women have reacted very differently to "bottoming out."

I was under the impression that retroverted referred to the direction of the tilt and not the degree, ie, the other direction is anteverted. I could be wrong about that, but regardless, I did not mean to mislead you, mine is not pointed totally backwards, it's just not facing completely forwards any more, which is what I meant by "not totally retroverted" in my post above.

My one experience with an accidental anterior fornix hit was the most painful thing I've ever experienced during sex. My posterior fornix is without a doubt much deeper.

Cervical hits can happen when I'm not completely aroused or if we haven't had sex in a while, or even if my hips aren't tilted just right. I can also cause an accidental cervical hit if I flex my vaginal muscles in the wrong way during sex. I don't believe that it has anything to do with the tilt of the uterus itself.

Like I said before, the feeling of bottoming out depends on how long the penis is. One man whose penis is not too long who bottoms out may feel good, whereas a guy whose penis is 1" longer will hurt. There is simply a limit to how far the vagina will stretch without pain. It is a cul-de-sac after all.

 

[paigexox]

So to answer Rawdog’s call for experimentation, I took one for the team this afternoon and did some feminine flexing, lol. It was certainly fun to play around while having a definite purpose in mind.

First of all, I did not notice the “popping” sensation when we went through the outlined steps. It simply resulted in either an unsuccessful pursuit to re-enter my CDS because he could not “push through” and reach my rearmost area when I flexed

OR,

It would cause an aggressive experience that simply highlighted his pressure inside me until we reached the hilt. This might actually be my new favorite thing to do. In a relaxed position like missionary we could find the perfect angle combined with the right spread of me, and it was just a fantastic experience for us both. Though I might be biased since I got a bunch of compliments on how it felt for him, which just fed back into my enjoyment. :smile:

The act of performing a kegel against his stroke certainly made position choice and angle the deciding factor of which outcome would occur, and the tightening effect “back there” must constrict my vaginal cavity enough to remove the pop. Downside of it all is that I am pretty sore from the entire experience -- the combination of flexing and then forcibly pushing, albeit fun, gets exhausting quick.

I am quickly learning that the appeal of CDS play, at least in our situation, is that it's one of the more "extreme" methods of vaginal penetration. It is basically the limit for the two of us, and I think that breeds the excitement and closeness which gives rise to its mystique. I get to feel like I am being "taken," and he gets to feel like he can offer me no more. :naughty:

 

[Mr. Sensitive]

I was under the impression that retroverted referred to the direction of the tilt and not the degree, ie, the other direction is anteverted. I could be wrong about that, but regardless, I did not mean to mislead you, mine is not pointed totally backwards, it's just not facing completely forwards any more, which is what I meant by "not totally retroverted" in my post above.

You didn't mislead. When I said "question of degree" I merely meant that there are presumably degrees of retroversion -- some just slightly displaced from what is considered normal, others more radically so. I get that one could be considered retroverted without it pointing towards the spine, but rather just a little more in that direction than typical.

and thanks for sharing regarding my query. i'm amazed that some women enjoy cds pounding so violent that i fear one or both of us might be severely injured while others wince at the gentlest deep touch. and it's not, so far as i can tell, a question of angle or ovaries or inflammation or size issues. i'd like an explanation and for a moment uterine tilt seemed like an easy one. but perhaps this is off topic.

 

[Mr. Sensitive]

Good work! This kind of thing is much more fun without a condom because, in my experience, it tends to jam the thing down onto my dick strangling the head. need to stop and pull it forward so it doesn't break and so my glans can breathe.

 

[RawDog]

RawDog: love your description but it doesn't correspond to my experience. when i felt a popping sensation it wasn't because of a vaginal spasm. it was just a question of angle and fit and something that could be easily repeated. also, while some woman can clamp down with their deep vaginal muscles most can't, either involuntarily or with conscious effort.

More and more I notice there is a change in consistency with the entrance to the deep spot (or antechamber as you call it). Sometimes it's a pronounced entrance where I can fidget with the pop in and pop out sensation, sometimes (like this evening) it's a gentle expansion at the very end. I do believe the difference with her comes down to how relax she is and how hard her orgasms were prior to going deep.

That it doesn't correspond with your experience brings home the fact that the vagina is a wondrous place full of unique sensations for those of us fortunate enough to enjoy all the subtle nuances.

Paigexox, I had to read your description about 5 or 6 times. Each time I got done, I could feel myself gazing blankly at the screen kind of floating there. Fuck, I wished I had a cigarette.

I'm soooo very grateful you did our experiment. I'm not sorry it didn't work though, you two seemed to have discovered something -uhm- deeper.

 

[Kevbo]

Nudge my cervix, and I'll know. So will you, and so will the downstairs neighbor when I reflexively shove you to the floor. I do not like to have my cervix touched, especially by the tip of the head. For me, it's incredibly painful. It sends what feels like a strong, electric shock up into my ovaries, and along my vaginal walls. There can be no more sex after that, because after that point I'm too tense and fearful of feeling that again. That's not to say I don't think your points are valid. It's just that I think that's unlikely to be what's happening to me. I feel the head cramming into a small space. Usually, I can tolerate the shaft sliding against my cervix, but the head itself causes pain.

Interesting! My gf quite likes gentle stroking/pressure on the cervical "stalk", and I don't know that I've ever done anything to it that made her flinch. (FWIW, I'm quite sure of the anatomy :->)

Women are different on this one. Thanks for the data point, and sorry that it doesn't work out for you...

Kevbo

 

[Kevbo]

Kevbo and gunnaknow:

The popping sensation I experienced has nothing to do with the cervix. The cervix is on the ventral side of the vagina and feels hard -- kind of like the tip of a nose. What I felt was on the dorsal side. the sensation of popping was caused by the penis pausing at a ridge where the vaginal cavity narrows into the posterior fornix before suddenly sliding in with a "pop."

One partner's pf/cds was very long and narrow. so narrow that it took some force to squeeze my cock up into it. and this created a vacuum effect that was at times pop-like. the main thing i remember, though, was that it just felt ridiculously good working my cock up in there. so good that we both managed to ignore for months our fundamental incompatibility.

Well, apparently compatible by one measure :->.

Also, glad to hear from a guy on here who actually knows by feel internal female anatomy. I know there are others (especially on this thread), but in general, guys don't do their homework on this, to everyone's detriment.

Thanks for the clarification.

Kevbo

 

[B_subgirrl]

Also, in what way do orgasms generated from this area differ from other areas? Does it cause the uterine or cervix to spasm more than orgasms from other areas?

For me, clitoral orgasms are felt largely in my clit, but deep spot orgasms are felt EVERYWHERE. They make my entire genital area feel like there's a party going on.

The inner muscle now having been pried open sends a signal to your brain that something's been worked free inside and new sensations from deeper inside start registering. Maybe this is why the shorter of us (~7") that can reach it, but have to work at it have that pop where the behemoths like petite's BF and subgirrl's FB don't register that pop is because they've pried it open on the first thrust deep inside?

I quite like this theory. Sorry I can't contribute to your experimental data :tongue:

Gunnaknow, my doctor told me a few years ago that the tilt of my uterus has changed, which may make my experiences slightly different than those of other women. I don't have a totally retroverted uterus, but mine is (was) no longer in the "normal" position any more.

petite: thanks for posting the diagram. that's most helpful. it inspired me to try to find a description of the four or five different categories of uterine placement. but no luck so far. makes me wonder if there's a correlation between between having a retroverted uterus and discomfort with deep penetration.

I read that a uterus that is tilted and bent towards the spine can cause pain during intercourse, but that's not how mine was tilted.

I also have a retroverted uterus. When I found out, I thought 'Hey, that might explain why I like sex so deep'. But when I researched it I found that it can cause pain. It was the opposite to what I expected! So really, I should like shallow sex, and not with longer men!

 

[double_digit]

For me, clitoral orgasms are felt largely in my clit, but deep spot orgasms are felt EVERYWHERE. They make my entire genital area feel like there's a party going on.

Ahh, those waves of warmth and gooiness that leave you slack jawed and wobbly-legged? Seen those a time or three and cannot help but feel a bit jealous. With us guys, it's kinda...well, centralized. Never quite got that "all encompassing - the Universe crawls with goodliness" type orgasms in literature and chalk it up to romanticism and prose more than male human experience.

 

[B_subgirrl]

Ahh, those waves of warmth and gooiness that leave you slack jawed and wobbly-legged?

*whimper* yes, those . . .

Seen those a time or three and cannot help but feel a bit jealous. With us guys, it's kinda...well, centralized. Never quite got that "all encompassing - the Universe crawls with goodliness" type orgasms in literature and chalk it up to romanticism and prose more than male human experience.

Clitoral orgasms are kind of centralised for me. Given a choice I will take waves of gooiness every time!

 

[RawDog]

Ahh, those waves of warmth and gooiness that leave you slack jawed and wobbly-legged? Seen those a time or three and cannot help but feel a bit jealous. With us guys, it's kinda...well, centralized. Never quite got that "all encompassing - the Universe crawls with goodliness" type orgasms in literature and chalk it up to romanticism and prose more than male human experience.

Legend has it that when God was creating the human race, he lined up all the males on one side and all the females opposite. Then he asked: Which of your species would like to urinate standing up? Well, the males went crazy, shouting that they wanted to pee standing up. 'Fine', says God, 'Women get multiple orgasms'.

 

[double_digit]

*whimper* yes, those . . .

Clitoral orgasms are kind of centralised for me. Given a choice I will take waves of gooiness every time!

Hehehehe, one of my Ex's would just glow after one of those. I did not take it too seriously one time when she told me she just cannot move, her legs refuse to follow orders. Being extremely ticklish - I "chased" her from one side of the bed to the other in play - to watch her thud on the carpet when she managed to roll out of reach. I had a lot of "makeup" to do - she got served breakfast in bed, after watching me cook in nothing but an apron. Her mother was a minister and came wandering through at one point... sex, religion and breakfast really stokes the campfires, let me tell you. (Raises the heartbeat too!)

Legend has it that when God was creating the human race, he lined up all the males on one side and all the females opposite. Then he asked: Which of your species would like to urinate standing up? Well, the males went crazy, shouting that they wanted to pee standing up. 'Fine', says God, 'Women get multiple orgasms'.

Funny, same lady I mentioned above COULD pee standing up - but it took some diddling about with her fingers to manage it. So we got DOUBLE SHORT CHANGED, buddy. :biggrin1:

 

[B_subgirrl]

Hehehehe, one of my Ex's would just glow after one of those. I did not take it too seriously one time when she told me she just cannot move, her legs refuse to follow orders. Being extremely ticklish - I "chased" her from one side of the bed to the other in play - to watch her thud on the carpet when she managed to roll out of reach. I had a lot of "makeup" to do - she got served breakfast in bed, after watching me cook in nothing but an apron. Her mother was a minister and came wandering through at one point... sex, religion and breakfast really stokes the campfires, let me tell you. (Raises the heartbeat too!)

ROFLMAO :biggrin1: That's ME after good sex! Are you sure you weren't screwing me? No, wait, wrong country, mother not a minister . . .

Funny, same lady I mentioned above COULD pee standing up - but it took some diddling about with her fingers to manage it. So we got DOUBLE SHORT CHANGED, buddy. :biggrin1:

. . . and I definitely haven't mastered this! Not me.