Gay or Nah?

[Chiballana]

I would consider male/ftm sex heterosexual because biologically it's a vaginal sex(penis-vagina). So I would consider it straight on some level. This whole debate hinges on whether one's subjective feelings should dictate reality. Just because someone views something as x, doesn't mean that it's x if it doesn't fit the criteria or definition of x.

I hate this debate because most people would consider a straight man having sex with a transwoman bisexual or gay. Outside of liberal and Western circles, most people are calling the couple below gay.

Sexual orientation depends on phenotype, including genitals

 

[Smallteaplant]

Sexual orientation depends on phenotype, including genitals

I agree. But transwomen are different from biological women. The majority of straight people would argue that the phenotype is a cervix amongst other female characteristics. Sure, you can argue that I boiling people down to their genitals. But possessing those genitals comes with cultural meaning and expectation.

I showed your comments to a female board and these were their comments.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for a biological male to have a female phenotype. Because your genes dictate your phenotype, and a biological male has male genes, not female genes. If that were the case, their feelings would spontaneously transform their bodies into a female one, complete with XX chromosomes and all. But that doesn't happen, and they need to take synthetic hormones and get plastic surgery to look like women. And even then, there's evidence of their male bone structure present if you look hard enough. Why do they think everyone else is as crazy as they are? Because they must if they genuinely think they can just scam people into ignoring reality like this.

Just because they see themselves as the same as biological women is not the reality it...if you are the same as a biological woman then there is no need to brag about "straight men" sleeping with you..

You are woman right??

Don't men sleep with women, especially straight men?

these men are not straight they are not sleeping with biological women...they are gay no matter how they tell and twist the story

 

[Chiballana]

I agree. But transwomen are different from biological women. The majority of straight people would argue that the phenotype is a cervix amongst other female characteristics. Sure, you can argue that I boiling people down to their genitals. But possessing those genitals comes with cultural meaning and expectation.

I showed your comments to a female board and these were their comments.

Not all women have a cervix, CAIS women never have a cervix and they are born with a female phenotype. A trans woman can have female genitals as well.

 

[Chiballana]

I agree. But transwomen are different from biological women. The majority of straight people would argue that the phenotype is a cervix amongst other female characteristics. Sure, you can argue that I boiling people down to their genitals. But possessing those genitals comes with cultural meaning and expectation.

I showed your comments to a female board and these were their comments.

Not all women have a cervix, CAIS women never have a cervix and they are born with a female phenotype. A trans woman can have female genitals as well.

I don't get why you show me these comments as if they demonstrate anything other than these individuals' transphobia and ignorance. CAIS and Swyer women have male genes too and have a female phenotype, and the reason trans women have a female phenotype Is not because of magic but because of Gene expression activated by HRT. Not all women have XX chromosomes, jfc I can't with this ignorance.

HRT changes your phenotype, if these people are mad about it then take it up with science.

 

[Smallteaplant]

Not all women have a cervix, CAIS women never have a cervix and they are born with a female phenotype. A trans woman can have female genitals as well.

But CAIS women are an exception, not a rule. People with CAIS are not trans, were never observed as or raised as males, and cannot respond to androgens, their condition does not relate to arguments about trans identities.

Your whole argument is based on people with biological abnormalities.

 

[jellyfishh]

most people are calling the couple below gay.

I think you'd need Specsavers if you saw that couple on the street and thought they were a homosexual couple. You'd only call them gay because you know she's trans and view transwomen as men.

 

[Smallteaplant]

I think you'd need Specsavers if you saw that couple on the street and thought they were a homosexual couple. You'd only call them gay because you know she's trans and view transwomen as men.

Maybe from a distance. It's silly to pretend that a transwoman can look completely like a natal woman as transwomen give off an uncanny valley effect.

 

[Chiballana]

Maybe from a distance. It's silly to pretend that a transwoman can look completely like a natal woman as transwomen give off an uncanny valley effect.

I don't brag about straight men sleeping with me, they just do, naturally. How would they not be straight when I'm phenotypically female and that's what they are attracted to? Many of them didn't even know I'm trans.

 

[Chiballana]

But CAIS women are an exception, not a rule. People with CAIS are not trans, were never observed as or raised as males, and cannot respond to androgens, their condition does not relate to arguments about trans identities.

Your whole argument is based on people with biological abnormalities.

Trans women are an exception too... Trans people are also "abnormal", how Is that hard to comprehend? I don't see trans identities as a result of sex dysphoria as something worthy of a debate either

 

[Smallteaplant]

Trans women are an exception too... Trans people are also "abnormal", how Is that hard to comprehend? I don't see trans identities as a result of sex dysphoria as something worthy of a debate either

I don't determine the rules as the rules are made by straight people. People consider being a transwoman a mental issue, not a physical one. People are more lenient towards people with physical abnormalities than psychological ones.

I don't brag about straight men sleeping with me, they just do, naturally. How would they not be straight when I'm phenotypically female and that's what they are attracted to? Many of them didn't even know I'm trans.

Do the women and the friends of these men consider the men that sleep with you straight? Would a biological woman even date or marry a man that has been with you? Women typically don't date men who have been with biological men.

 

[Chiballana]

Maybe from a distance. It's silly to pretend that a transwoman can look completely like a natal woman as transwomen give off an uncanny valley effect.

I've had sex with men who didn't know I'm trans so clearly it's not universal. Also Google Janet Mock and Nicole Maines for a quick dismissal of your claims.

 

[jellyfishh]

Maybe from a distance. It's silly to pretend that a transwoman can look completely like a natal woman as transwomen give off an uncanny valley effect.

How so?

 

[Chiballana]

I don't determine the rules as the rules are made by straight people. People consider being a transwoman a mental issue, not a physical one. People are more lenient towards people with physical abnormalities than psychological ones.

The rules aren't only made by straight people. Wow, people are transphobic and not empathetic towards trans people, you think you're telling me anything I don't know? Doesn't mean it's not immoral.

Do the women and the friends of these men consider the men that sleep with you straight? Would a biological woman even date or marry a man that has been with you? Women typically don't date men who have been with biological men.

They do, as I'm phenotypically female and have a vagina, not clockable as trans. Most people don't know I'm trans. Yes, my straight ex Is Now dating a cis woman who knows me. I'm not a biological man, I'm genetically male.

 

[Smallteaplant]

The rules aren't only made by straight people. Wow, people are transphobic and not empathetic towards trans people, you think you're telling me anything I don't know? Doesn't mean it's not immoral.

They do, as I'm phenotypically female and have a vagina, not clockable as trans. Most people don't know I'm trans. Yes, my straight ex Is Now dating a cis woman who knows me. I'm not a biological man, I'm genetically male.

Okay, I disagree with you. But enjoy.

 

[Chiballana]

Okay, I disagree with you. But enjoy.

Enjoy what? Of course you disagree, otherwise you wouldn't have come here with anti trans drivel.

 

[jellyfishh]

Enjoy what? Of course you disagree, otherwise you wouldn't have come here with anti trans drivel.

That's the beauty for people who are transphobic. They get to say they disagree when they cba anymore, forget and move on with their day. To them its just a discussion they can move on from rather than those who have to defend their existence, rights and relationships.

 

[Chiballana]

That's the beauty for people who are transphobic. They get to say they disagree when they cba anymore, forget and move on with their day. To them its just a discussion they can move on from rather than those who have to defend their existence, rights and relationships.

Worst part Is this person has no rational reason why they "disagree", I put the CAIS example and they said it was different because of leniency towards physical abnormalities. Gongrats on being an unempathetic a**hole i guess

 

[Smallteaplant]

Worst part Is this person has no rational reason why they "disagree", I put the CAIS example and they said it was different because of leniency towards physical abnormalities. Gongrats on being an unempathetic a**hole i guess

Well, as a gay man. I’m okay with that. I’m going for to go enjoy my privilege life. Enjoy.

 

[Chiballana]

Well, as a gay man. I’m okay with that. I’m going for to go enjoy my privilege life. Enjoy.

Yes, off you go now.

 

[deleted19151801]

They do, as I'm phenotypically female and have a vagina, not clockable as trans.

No you do not. You technically have an open wound that is surgically constructed to look like a vulva. The vagina is 100% a female sexual organ and is specifically inside of females past the vulva. You are biologically male and can never have a vagina because of that.

The reason a lot of trans people are getting push back is because of reality denial. Stating that you are not biologically male and have a vagina is an example of reality denial because it is objectively and scientifically false.

It's like putting different colored contacts in your eyes and then claiming your eyes are really that color biologically.