I have come to the conclusion that neither of you will convince the other. How about declaring a truce?
How many men are actually bisexual?
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one last thing since you rely on surveys. How do you explain the fact that over the years the percentage of people who identify as bi/gay increases? i don't say it but the polls
Using large letters doesn't make your point any more salient, convincing or clear so I'll explain my point using data as support.
In a Gallup study published recently, about 7% of the U.S. adult population identified as LGBT and 85% identified as straight or heterosexual. Of the 7% identifying as LGBT, around half (or 4% of the total questioned) identified as bisexual, about 20% (or 1.4% of the total questioned) identified as gay, 14% (or about 1% of the total questioned) identified as lesbian and 10% (or 0.7% of the total questioned) identified as transgender. That study captures the most recent trend in sexual preference or identification.
Of the 85% identifying as straight or heterosexual, a slightly higher percentage of men than women identify in such a manner.
The evidence suggests, in addition to casual observation for those of us who live in the real world, that the notion suggested by others that straight or heterosexual men are lying to pollsters or lying to themselves in such large numbers as to dramatically skew the results away from gay or bisexual identification is patently ridiculous.
One may bemoan the fact the population of straight or heterosexual people is so overwhelmingly large that one's own club is small in comparison, but lamentation is no reason to wipe away that fact with illogical. Lastly, doing so is a sign of weakness, suggesting that one is unsure of his or her own identity and ability to stand apart as an individual, leading his or hers own happy life.
People doubt all kinds of things by impugning the reliability of sources and evidence, even though no proof exists that it is unreliable. It's a weak form of argument, especially when the loud preponderance of evidence stack up against the whimpering questions of reliability.
Have it your way we could continue to discuss on this topic for thousand pages without reaching a conclusion and honestly Man I've neither the time nor the inclination to do it cause neither of us will convince the other otherwise. I can only conclude that you think there are no people who don't want to declare their sexuality or if they exist do you think they are an irrelevant number? well good for you everyone has the right to have their opinion by how unreasonable it is . The fact that you wrote me the survey data doesn't answer the question ("How do you explain the fact that over the years the percentage of people who identify as bi/gay increases?"). However, for the sake of argument let's say that 100% of those questioned answer honestly, what about all LGBT people who don't participate in the survey because they don't want or simply because they're not selected. You have to consider that much depends on the number of people involved. Anyway, since you think that logic of arguing that there could be a higher percentage of gay/bi people is, as you say "a tired and desperate narrative", be aware that it was found that in surveys carried out online in anonymity, these numbers increase considerably (you can believe it or not). Again I'm not denying that the percentage of heterosexual people is in the majority. Just read on the internet (even Wikipedia) to understand that when it comes to sexual orientation, taking a survey becomes complicated for various reasons in addition to the discretion factor.
For example, there's a difference between sexual and romantic attraction or sexual attraction and sexual behavior. Finally there's not much sense, you saying "no proof exists that it is unreliable" vice versa i can tell you the same thing "no proof exists that it is reliable", the circle keeps turning .
That tells me that your answers aren't objective.
I also noticed that I'm not the only one who's debating this topic with you and who thinks differently. Reading your replies in this thread and others I have the impression that you're more obsessed with the idea that everyone desperately wants to discredit or even erase the image of the straight man.
Having said that, as far as I'm concerned we should end this conversation right now because I don't feel like to continuing arguing unless someone else wants to do it instead of me.
By the way, I didn't using large letters to make my point more valid. When I published the reply it came out this way, i don't know why.
My goal was not to convince you. You are stuck. My goal was to demonstrate that my position is grounded the reality of data, logic and respect for what people say rather than the pretense of imposing onto others what one believes people secretly feel and should say. It's a dangerously collectivist belief that you know better about a person's desire than the person himself.
I don't wish to impose anything on anyone and i'm not stuck, i simply have other viewpoint than yours
and i respect that .
...a viewpoint that all straight men are secretly gay and only lying to themselves and the world that they're straight or just one hot dude away from proving it. Such a viewpoint defies logic, data and personal attestations, so it is "stuck." Just because one has an opinion, it does not make that opinion credible.
It's useless, anyway....
-You keep twisting my words
-You put words in my mouth that I have NEVER SAID ("all straight men are secretly gay and only lying to themselves")
- You don't read or can't read, what I write.
- You interpret my speeches in your own way
- You have blinders
Anyway, there's no worse deaf than those who don't want to hear.
By now I'd say that it's you who wants to impose your vision.
Do you want the last word? Well go ahead, I don't wanna waste more time with you.
I'll just leave you to your obsessions and illusions.
Have a nice life
I believe there are quite a few of us (me included) who are bisexual. 'Bisexual' means two or both. As for me, I like both men and women. That said, I am selective with whom I sleep with. Ok, Im shallow! lol
I mean it depends. I don't think simply being selective with you sleep with to be "shallow". I think shallowness is more rooted in an illogical idealism. Like if you found a guy that has nearly all the qualities you are attracted to except for one superficial trait (like height or something) and you choose to turn them down just over that one little thing. THAT'S shallow.
Yeah, selective but not shallow too, I don't feel like giving my time and body to everybody that wants it.
As for me, it is shallow to feign accord by starting a statement with "it depends" when there is actual disagreement. It is not shallow to have a preference for any reason and no one is the arbiter of which preferences are trivial and which preferences are justified. One has the right to be turned off by a preference one considers "shallow" but the world does not have to share that view and it is ignoble to signal virtue by defining what is, and what is not, superficial in this regard.I mean it depends. I don't think simply being selective with you sleep with to be "shallow". I think shallowness is more rooted in an illogical idealism. Like if you found a guy that has nearly all the qualities you are attracted to except for one superficial trait (like height or something) and you choose to turn them down just over that one little thing. THAT'S shallow.
No it is superficial in my view to have one single physical or aesthetic trait outweigh multiple other traits that you do approve of. That's someone's right and choice to do obviously. I just think that's illogical personally. If you want to quibble over words go ahead if guess. But that's simply my opinion and no that's isn't a shallow take.
You have successfully signaled your virtue. Such wise judgment; such sage equitableness; such acute perception discerning the complexities of attraction -- such banality and platitude. I say, "I prefer peas over carrots." You say, "It depends! Peas go better with chicken but carrots go better with beef. It's shallow to prefer peas over carrots all the time! Your dogged preference for peas is superficial!"
Holy Strawman. Okay buddy. Clearly just want to argue for the sake of (in yet another thread). Moving on
Momma always said, "A straw man is as a straw man does" and they're fun to knock down.
