also, not having sex with someone is very different from “not approaching” someone, or not giving them a job, or housing. If you’re going to equate the two, then you are conflating rights and liberties.
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also, not having sex with someone is very different from “not approaching” someone, or not giving them a job, or housing. If you’re going to equate the two, then you are conflating rights and liberties.
Not really all that different its understanding taking vs giving; a willingness and desire to consume the fruits of a population, but not giving of oneself to foster to help that population thrive....
Lets step away from "having sex" because with discretion at play this whole preference argument tends to fall apart...lets talk about dating and marriage...yes I do think there is a palpable connection in not considering a population worthy of love and affection and not wanting to do business and hire, etc. Even removing it from personal preference, in many customer facing businesses a subjective idea of attractiveness is desired for cashiers, hosts, salespeople; a prime opportunity for a manager with "preferences" to overlook someone of a different race or ethnicity regardless of qualifications and competence. Its publicly on display today with the housing market, where interracial couples are finding out putting the white or white adjacent half of the relationship out forward is getting them better deals or better appraisals for their homes. Even things like Airbnb is yielding results that parallel supposed racial preference. The melaninated folks arent conflating anything; europeans, their descendents, surrogates and adjacents are doing the conflating we're simply observing.
Again perhaps if there wasnt such a parallel you'd find black and brown folk much less cognizant nor concerned with sexual/dating preferences, but here we are.
2 things:
1) Wow, so now youre basically calling me selfish for not giving my body out freely to everyone. Sex is a mutual activity. Both parties have to be willing to have sex with each other--at least in the context were talking. If someone doesnt want to have sex with me... FOR WHATEVER REASON... I fully support their right not to. Im shocked you dont feel the same.
2) Gay sex doesnt help the population thrive. Not that I ONLY have sex with men... but if thats your argument, youre basically saying when gay men are involved, it doesnt hold true anymore.
I acknowledged that. And I stopped posting in this thread. Didn't plan on coming back after that last one. Yet here you go, bringing me back to this shit hole.
Only people with lack of common sense will say that only white ppl can be racist. IMO this is part of the whole White fragility complex. Anyway, this post was in fact started by a latino so yes blacks, latinos, martians and vulcans can be racist.
My definition of discrimination is not loose. It is the dictionary definition:
"
- recognize a distinction; differentiate.
"babies can discriminate between different facial expressions of emotion" - make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, sex, age, or disability."
Again, when you discriminate based on race, it is racism. As I said, you can try your best, but there is no way around it.
To be clear, I am not calling you racist. But I do think you are trying too hard to defend a point that you deep down may not even share and clearly dont fully understand and a point which is, frankly, indefensible.
No. You are conflating civil liberties and plain human dignity.
Oh there was a time in which White ppl got shamed or worst for having sex with blacks. Lets recall that interracial marriages were illegal (and criminalized I think) until Mr. Loving came by and sued to have the right to love who he wanted.
as he should... people should have the right to live who they want.
The reason I’m advocating against your mindset is because it would be a slippery slope to someone suing someone for NOT having sex with them.
THAT would be a real tragedy.
You realize there is a HUGE contingent of people that believe black people cannot be racist?
and I’d say that’s a more serious problem than people who simply won’t have sex with someone.
wouldn’t your time be better spent fighting against their backwards ideas instead?
I’m curious what you would say about these two links:
Black people can’t be racist | Pambazuka News
Even al sharpton and Jesse Jackson don’t believe black people can be racist. And they are WIDELY respected within the black community as people who have taken up the torch after MLK. And they preach this nonsense to their followers. Are you saying they are wrong?
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you and I both know I didn’t “bring“ you anywhere. You came into this thread of your own accord.
why on earth would you give someone across the country, behind their computer, that kind of power over you, and readily admit it on a public forum?
Don’t be a strong independent woman, and then stop when it gets inconvenient for you. Stand on your own feet, and take some responsibility for yourself.
I hadn't posted in it for quite some time, and the whole reason it's stupid: you were making an example of my post and it was a false equivalence.
What the fuck are you talking about? What does me being "independent" or whatever have to do with how annoying it is that you quoted a bunch of people to try and bullshit is about what we meant by posting it?
youre missing the point.
Don’t give people on the internet any kind of power over you. And certainly don’t say they made you come in here to respond.
if you’re gonna give people on the internet that kind of power over you, perhaps the internet really isn’t the place for you in the first place.
I'm sorry, I don't remember asking some random for life advice.
So, you can stop telling me how to internet. Mansplain to someone else.
You are going on a tangent. One should worry about ones own actions. However what he is talking about is what sociologist term systemic or structural racism and he is correct, structural racism is about the inequities that favor one group over the other. It is closely related to white privilege.
Racism can be defined at the individual level too and that is what we are talking here. We are not sociologists....
Oh god...you’re one of THOSE.
fine, I’ll stop mansplaining when you stop woman-complaining.
lol, don’t you find it at least a little ironic that you’re saying “one should worry about ones own actions” while you’re literally here in this thread interjecting your opinion on how people other than yourself should approach their own relationships?
No. You and I are having a conversation about our thoughts on race and dating preference. I am sharing my thoughts. You are sharing yours. We are exchanging ideas.
You are now taking a tangent. Lets circle back to the issue at hand.
If race is the base of your dating preference, it is discrimination based on race or prejudice based on race. Isnt that racist?
It’s not a tangent. You gave a definition of racism, and I was telling you that if you’re going to use that definition, you are going to have to reconcile it with what people on your side of the aisle are arguing.
as for myself, I don’t believe that racism applies to ones own attraction and whatever turns them on. Clearly you and I disagree on this point, and that’s fine.
i just think it’s unfair to label someone a racist, and risk them losing their friends and livelihood (and it’s a slippery slope... it happens) all because of what turns them on or not.
Do I advocate actually saying “I won’t date black people?” No, of course not. I would call it shallow, or superficial. But I wouldn’t think someone’s reputation deserves to get ruined over it.
It is a tangent. You have been going around in circles about this.
Here is the Google definition of racism:
Note the clause "typically ... minority.."
Here is what systemic or structural racism. This is what that video is talking about:
My question still stands unanswered. If dating requires one to discriminate and if that discrimination is based on race, how is this not racist? All the elements are there.
If you dont discriminate based on race, why do you feel the need to defend those who do?
Here is the Google definition of racism:
Note the clause "typically ... minority.."
Here is what systemic or structural racism. This is what that video is talking about:
My question still stands unanswered. If dating requires one to discriminate and if that discrimination is based on race, how is this not racist? All the elements are there.
If you dont discriminate based on race, why do you feel the need to defend those who do?
Sorry I forgot to adress the issue of shaming someone for racist behaviors.
First, I am not talking about publicly shaming ppl for this. I am simply talking about making ppl conscious of their own biases. This is not about pointing fingers.
Second, I feel 0 sympathy for someone who is truly and consciously making racist choices like that.
Third, you should be more worried and feel sorry for those who have been hurt by these racist attitudes. I dont give a rat's ass anymore but I do remember how it felt when someone clearly and openly discriminated against me because I was not White and how I felt reading those MySpace profiles with guys saying they were White interested in Whites... just disgusting. Why did they even had the option of specifying racial preference?
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