I honestly ment no disrespect towards you. I was making a blanket statement. I have to disagree with you just a bit. The fact is though many executives would rather bite their tongues first before admitting it but Days Of Our Lives is basically saving Peacock right now. From what I understand it’s constantly one of the most streamed show on the platform. It’s never dropped below #5 in most watched. If Peacock were ever to drop Days, the entire platform wouldn’t be long behind. The same goes with General Hospital on Hulu, it’s always one of the most viewed shows there. True, soaps are not as popular as they once were but the same can be said for Network television overall. Soaps unfairly have been the “red headed step child” of TV. Admittedly the biggest regret of ABC exes were axing All My Children and One Life To Live, nothing since has matched the ratings and popularity of those two show, so much so ABC refuses to outright sell the right to the shows. The fact is no other genre of television has more devout, die hard fans than soaps. My wish is those behind the scenes would acknowledge their true popularity and throw a few more dollars into their soaps and stand behind them so as to take the unjust stigma away. Leo, now being part of the Days Of Our Lives family has found him a new fan base who will forever admire him and support him in every endeavor he does from now on out.
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His first episode is April 5th.
What's wrong with the half naked hunks?!Soap operas have always been seen as a little trashy. I think the inherent melodrama in the art form irritates some people. Plus all the fan service i.e. all the half-naked hunks.
They are actually increasingly the opposite given the dire state of streaming. Ironically for a genre on its deathbed not long ago they have suddenly become one of the few cost-effective dependable moneyspinners left, and the networks/parent companies have begun reinvesting in what they thought was old hat. Same with procedurals/sitcoms.
From being on a soap opera.
There is nothing wrong with starting out there. Many truly great actresses and stars (mostly women) have launched from soaps. Men don't seem to have as easy a time which is part of why I am bummed for Leo.
However, moving there from network/prime time TV has always been seen as a demotion. And from the persepctive of an actor it certainly is: It's much harder work for less pay and less prestige.
And somebody on here is going to note that his prime time network experience is in CW teen drama and they're going to imply that CW teen dramas are (were?) the bottom rung of prtime network work. And while you'd be right about that, the jump from soaps to that bottom rung of prtime network work is a big and important one for an actor.
Among them:
Morgan Freeman - Another World
Kevin Bacon - Search for tomorrow and Guiding Light
Marisa Tomei - As the world turns
David Hasselhoff- The young and the restless
Sarah Michelle Gellar - All my children
Ryan Phillippe - One life to live
Cam Gigandet - The young and the restless
Usher - The Bold and the Beautiful
Eva Longoria - General Hospital and The young and the restless
Ray Liotta - Another World
Meg Ryan - Guiding Light and As the world turns
Peter Gallagher - Guiding Light
Julianne Moore - As the world turns
Luke Perry - Loving and Another World
Jesse Metcalfe - Passions
Demi Moore - General Hospital
Kelly Ripa - All my children
Mark Consuelos- All my children
Matt Bomer- All my children and Guiding Light
Ricky Martin- General Hospital
Calista Flockart - Guiding Light
John Stamos - General Hospital
Lindsey Lohan - Another World
Michael Weatherly - Loving and The City
Robin Wright - Santa Barbara
Amanda Seyfried - As the world turns and All my children
William Fichtner - As the world turns
Allison Janney - Guiding Light
Blair Redford - The young and the restless and Passions
Justin Hartley - Passions and The young and the restless
Rome Flynn- The Bold and the Beautiful
Susan Sarandon- A world apart
Tom Berenger - One Life to Live
Sofia Pernas - The young and the restless
Alec Baldwin- The Doctors
Marg Helgenberger - Ryan's Hope
Eric Winter - Days of our lives
Jesse McCartney - All my children
Penn Badgley- The young and the restless
Paul Walker - The young and the restless
Jensen Ackles - Days Of our lives
...
And many others
Yeah I guess you're right. That makes sense. I'm about 5 years behind on this lol.
Hate to break it to you but Leo was doing Lifetime TV movies not long ago. No one knows or cares about his cancelled CW show and he needs to pay the bills. Soaps are his current career level and are dependable income, unlike short lived CW dramas. If you are waiting for him to break big onto major primetime or streaming again you will likely be waiting in vain.
Thank you for this.Among them:
Morgan Freeman - Another World
Kevin Bacon - Search for tomorrow and Guiding Light
Marisa Tomei - As the world turns
David Hasselhoff- The young and the restless
Sarah Michelle Gellar - All my children
Ryan Phillippe - One life to live
Cam Gigandet - The young and the restless
Usher - The Bold and the Beautiful
Eva Longoria - General Hospital and The young and the restless
Ray Liotta - Another World
Meg Ryan - Guiding Light and As the world turns
Peter Gallagher - Guiding Light
Julianne Moore - As the world turns
Luke Perry - Loving and Another World
Jesse Metcalfe - Passions
Demi Moore - General Hospital
Kelly Ripa - All my children
Mark Consuelos- All my children
Matt Bomer- All my children and Guiding Light
Ricky Martin- General Hospital
Calista Flockart - Guiding Light
John Stamos - General Hospital
Lindsey Lohan - Another World
Michael Weatherly - Loving and The City
Robin Wright - Santa Barbara
Amanda Seyfried - As the world turns and All my children
William Fichtner - As the world turns
Allison Janney - Guiding Light
Blair Redford - The young and the restless and Passions
Justin Hartley - Passions and The young and the restless
Rome Flynn- The Bold and the Beautiful
Susan Sarandon- A world apart
Tom Berenger - One Life to Live
Sofia Pernas - The young and the restless
Alec Baldwin- The Doctors
Marg Helgenberger - Ryan's Hope
Eric Winter - Days of our lives
Jesse McCartney - All my children
Penn Badgley- The young and the restless
Paul Walker - The young and the restless
Jensen Ackles - Days Of our lives
...
And many others
(Bold empahsis mine)
Soaps are a step down from lifetime TV movies too, that is what I am saying. And four years is simply ... not "short lived" for network TV. Whoever told you that is incorrect. That is a respectiable run.
And this last part that I put in bold is exactly what I am saying. That is literally what is a bummer about this. You're telling me I'm wrong for being bummed while completley agreeing with me about it being a downturn for his career LOL
Yeah that is what I am saying.Among them:
Morgan Freeman - Another World
Kevin Bacon - Search for tomorrow and Guiding Light
Marisa Tomei - As the world turns
David Hasselhoff- The young and the restless
Sarah Michelle Gellar - All my children
Ryan Phillippe - One life to live
Cam Gigandet - The young and the restless
Usher - The Bold and the Beautiful
Eva Longoria - General Hospital and The young and the restless
Ray Liotta - Another World
Meg Ryan - Guiding Light and As the world turns
Peter Gallagher - Guiding Light
Julianne Moore - As the world turns
Luke Perry - Loving and Another World
Jesse Metcalfe - Passions
Demi Moore - General Hospital
Kelly Ripa - All my children
Mark Consuelos- All my children
Matt Bomer- All my children and Guiding Light
Ricky Martin- General Hospital
Calista Flockart - Guiding Light
John Stamos - General Hospital
Lindsey Lohan - Another World
Michael Weatherly - Loving and The City
Robin Wright - Santa Barbara
Amanda Seyfried - As the world turns and All my children
William Fichtner - As the world turns
Allison Janney - Guiding Light
Blair Redford - The young and the restless and Passions
Justin Hartley - Passions and The young and the restless
Rome Flynn- The Bold and the Beautiful
Susan Sarandon- A world apart
Tom Berenger - One Life to Live
Sofia Pernas - The young and the restless
Alec Baldwin- The Doctors
Marg Helgenberger - Ryan's Hope
Eric Winter - Days of our lives
Jesse McCartney - All my children
Penn Badgley- The young and the restless
Paul Walker - The young and the restless
Jensen Ackles - Days Of our lives
...
And many others
All these folks started in soaps. Then -with the exception of Hartley - they left and never came back.
Howard isn't starting out, so there's no argument that soaps are a good start. He is past the point where he should have to spend time in the daytime TV mines.
A lot of people may not know this but Justin Hartly did the same thing as Leo. He finished his run on Passions and went on to primetime with very big roles in such shows as Smallville, Emily Owen’s MD and Revenge. After this, to a lot of peoples surprise he returned to Daytime to play the role of Adam Newman on The Young And The Restless. They made him a deal he couldn’t refuse. When asked why he was returning to daytime he responded that it was a great part and acting is acting. He was not the least bit ashamed of his decision. During his time on The Young And The Restless he auditioned for “ This Is Us” and his career has skyrocketed since. Who’s to say? The same thing may very well happen to Leo.
Yep as I noted in this post, Hartley is an exception to this story, from soaps to primetime drama back to soaps and to real primetime stardom.
No, soaps are not a step down from Lifetime movies lol. That's my whole point. That's why they often star soap stars.
And CW is not network TV lol. It's low-rung cable being starved to death by its new parent company and no one knows or cares what Legacies is. I'm sorry he doesn't have the career you want him to have. But he'll make dependable money on soaps, pay his rent and take his shirt off.
Leo Howard is not Justin Hartley, lmao. Please keep waiting for Leo to book the next This is Us.
Yes, soaps are a step down. Still harder work for less money.
The CW is not cable at all, it's network TV. And the starving by the parent company didnt happen until after Leo left. Everything you have to say about the CW is just a complete lie LOL.
The CW is not cable at all, it's network TV. And the starving by the parent company didnt happen until after Leo left. Everything you have to say about the CW is just a complete lie LOL.
See this mean shit is always just completley unnecessary. If you want to be cruel why dont you just go someplace else and do that.
No, it's a low-rent cable outlet that is falling apart, which you just admitted. The Big 3 and Fox are network in the sense you are describing. Nothing on CW is anywhere near the clout of any drama on NBC, ABC, CBS or even Fox.
This is not the Leo Howard Only Say Pre-Approved Nice Things thread lol. Leo is a very hot guy and seems like a very sweet dude, I have nothing against him. He is also making money in his career and for his family by doing the soap, one of the last stable fields in the biz rn. You are the one moaning that he should be 'above' the soaps when nothing in his career trajectory suggests otherwise. Sorry but he is not a TV star. He is not going to be a movie star. He is not landing a contract on Grey's. But he is not broke or doing porn either. Let him live and stop trying to act like he is this big star waiting to happen.
I mean "cable" is a word that has a definition and "network" is a word that has a definition and The CW meets the definition of one of those and it doesn't meet the other one. The one it meets is "network."
Certainly it has alwasy been lower rent then the Big Three and Fox but that doesn't change the fact that it is and always has been a broadcast network and has absolutely nothing to do with cable. You can repeat your inaccurate statements about "cable" and "network" all you like but I am right and you are wrong here. That's simple fact. And again the current troubles of the network (yes, still a network) have nothing to do with the show that Howard was on or the long-running franchise it was part of. So citing those troubles doesn't have anything to do with Howard or his career.
Anyway, the thing that indicates that his career should be above soaps is that he was previously doing work above soaps. It's not that complicated.
And yes it's not the "Leo Howard Only Say Pre-Approved Nice Things thread." Your free to say mean, cruel things about his abilities if you chose. And I am free just the same to tell you that they are mean and cruel. I am also free to tell you to go someplace else with them., Of course you are free to ignore me.
Folks who only have negative shit to say are always like "It's a free thread I can say whatever I want" but they're always shocked (shocked!) when other people use the same free thread to have different opinions LOL
Certainly it has alwasy been lower rent then the Big Three and Fox but that doesn't change the fact that it is and always has been a broadcast network and has absolutely nothing to do with cable. You can repeat your inaccurate statements about "cable" and "network" all you like but I am right and you are wrong here. That's simple fact. And again the current troubles of the network (yes, still a network) have nothing to do with the show that Howard was on or the long-running franchise it was part of. So citing those troubles doesn't have anything to do with Howard or his career.
Anyway, the thing that indicates that his career should be above soaps is that he was previously doing work above soaps. It's not that complicated.
And yes it's not the "Leo Howard Only Say Pre-Approved Nice Things thread." Your free to say mean, cruel things about his abilities if you chose. And I am free just the same to tell you that they are mean and cruel. I am also free to tell you to go someplace else with them., Of course you are free to ignore me.
Folks who only have negative shit to say are always like "It's a free thread I can say whatever I want" but they're always shocked (shocked!) when other people use the same free thread to have different opinions LOL
Shemar Moore was (and became popular) on YR from 1994 to 2002. He left, he did a primetime tv series, he came back on YR from 2004 to 2005. He left again to star on Criminal Minds and than SWAT. Every time he is needed, he comes back on YR for special episodes. Morgan Fairchild, Keith Hamilton Cobb, Forbes March, Ted Shackelford, Darin Brooks, Eva LaRue, Lisa Rinna, Kim Delaney, Daniel Cosgrove, John Wesley Shipp, Scott Bryce, Linden Ashby, Susan Walters and other actors started doing soaps, then left for primetime shows and eventually came back to daytime tv.
James Franco - at the top of his career - decided to act on a soap (from 2009 to 2011 he played a character on GH).
Annalyne McCord (leading actress on 90210) is taping Days Of Our Lives and she will be on soon.