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So, I’m so fed up with the online dating app.

Short info about me: ASIAN, average built (not muscular yet, but no longer fat), 5’8”.

I’m on this dating site (and app) Romeo. I’m struggling finding “a friend”. I’m genuinely looking for friends (of course a relationship would be great but it’s not my goal). So, my profile on Romeo, it says I’m open for friends, relationship.

On Romeo, you can have: date, sex, friends, relationship.

What really frustrates me is that I’ve been texting guys, whose profiles say they’re open for “friends, relationship” only (not sex, friends, relationship) like attached screenshots. Only to be disappointed due to no answer. What surprised me the most is the guy in the last screenshot. His headline is even more inviting and nice (no age limit, no body shaming, no racism).

Btw, I fall into their age range. These are just 1/10 of the profiles I messaged.

There isn’t any Asian guy in this part of town, who isn’t a tourist.

Question is: is it racism? Does my race play a role in finding friends?

Also, I wasn’t trying to contact only hot muscular guys. I messaged guys with average built, too.

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You're finding out there are many gay men who only will be friends with attractive people. And most people prefer someone who is similar to themselves.

You'll get many protetsting to the contrary though, exclaiming their lack of said preferences and open to everyone; but its very clearly not the norm.

But it isnt racism. They aren't being racist. They just literally dont realize the effect it has outside of themselves. Its literally all just an unfortunate effect of which I'd say 95% has no malevolent intentions.
 
You're finding out there are many gay men who only will be friends with attractive people. And most people prefer someone who is similar to themselves.

You'll get many protetsting to the contrary though, exclaiming their lack of said preferences and open to everyone; but its very clearly not the norm.

But it isnt racism. They aren't being racist. They just literally dont realize the effect it has outside of themselves. Its literally all just an unfortunate effect of which I'd say 95% has no malevolent intentions.
Thanks for your answer.

I swear this isn’t a sour grape situation type of thing. Many guy I messaged are also average looking. I mean I wouldn’t want them as a boyfriend either. Like I’d prefer clean cut and clean shaven guys. But as friends, I couldn’t care less how they actually look like.
 
Disclaimer: I'm a white Irish dad type born and raised in a very racist family and town. I didn't know a single Asian person growing up and there was one black family in my whole town.

Not sure if it's racism per se, but I think you're running up against the general problem that most gay men are just.... men. As much as we might say dick doesn't drive a lot of decisions in our lives, it really does. Guys (and this isn't unique to homosexuality) want to make friends with people who are attractive because dick.

On a not-sexual level, as humans we all gravitate to those who are similar to us. It's really the truth. Weed smokers hang out with other weed smokers. Firemen hang out with other firemen. Gamers hang out with other gamers. Doctors hang out with other doctors.

Yes, there are exceptions of course and exceptions are many. But the cold hard truth is that we all seek out either a) those who are similar to us, or b) those who make our dick hard.

It takes a person who is genuinely interested in others, someone who wants to devote their time and energy to learning about the differences, to bridge the gap. Those guys are RARE.

I wish we could have this discussion in person because the subject is fascinating to me. Be well man and don't stop trying or give up. You know your own value and what you have to offer the world. There are people out there who will see that. It's just hard to find them. Good luck. :heart:
 
Disclaimer: I'm a white Irish dad type born and raised in a very racist family and town. I didn't know a single Asian person growing up and there was one black family in my whole town.

Not sure if it's racism per se, but I think you're running up against the general problem that most gay men are just.... men. As much as we might say dick doesn't drive a lot of decisions in our lives, it really does. Guys (and this isn't unique to homosexuality) want to make friends with people who are attractive because dick.

On a not-sexual level, as humans we all gravitate to those who are similar to us. It's really the truth. Weed smokers hang out with other weed smokers. Firemen hang out with other firemen. Gamers hang out with other gamers. Doctors hang out with other doctors.

Yes, there are exceptions of course and exceptions are many. But the cold hard truth is that we all seek out either a) those who are similar to us, or b) those who make our dick hard.

It takes a person who is genuinely interested in others, someone who wants to devote their time and energy to learning about the differences, to bridge the gap. Those guys are RARE.

I wish we could have this discussion in person because the subject is fascinating to me. Be well man and don't stop trying or give up. You know your own value and what you have to offer the world. There are people out there who will see that. It's just hard to find them. Good luck. :heart:
Great to hear your opinion!

I must say before I moved to Munich (10 years ago), I had quite a few best friends — straight girl best friends and a couple of gay best friends. When it comes to our “looks”, we come in all sizes and shapes: fat, thin, chubby, built.

I was also friends with my ex boss, who is a straight German guy, back home. And he knew I was gay. But we kinda drifted apart now.

Considering myself friendly, I never thought that finding new friends would be hard. Okay, we don’t go to school or college together, but at least we’re gay. That’s what I thought.

10 years and 0 friends makes me question myself, is it really me or is it really them? It really makes me feel insecure.

I used to be more of an open, optimistic and a bit naïve type of guy but now I’m a little more of an optimistic realist — seeing how the world really works.

Like I said, I’m not that picky when it comes to friends. I couldn’t care less how they would look because they are only gonna be my friends.

I’m quite RARE in terms of my personality, it’s an INFJ. (If you ever take the MBTI personality test, you know what I really mean.) INFJ used to be the rarest type out of 16 personalities with only around 1.5% of the test takers around the world.

As an INFJ, I am intuitive and a good listener and try to solve problems of others, rather than of my own. Being an introvert, I have my limit in my social life. But it doesn’t mean I don’t want any.

I already gave up — deleting my Romeo account twice — but what I got is “0 friend”. So, after 4 years of giving up, I just gave it another go. The result never changes. What changes is that I get older. And who wants to be friends with old Gaysians, right?
 
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I forgot to mention in my previous post regarding commonalities.

Out of 80+ guys that I messaged since I got myself a new account, 2 of them share the same common interest with me: they’re plantparents and have many houseplants.

So, I thought “being an Asian” wouldn’t have been an issue for them because we just shared the same interest. But, I was totally wrong. No answer is always an answer.
 
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Great to hear your opinion!

I must say before I moved to Munich (10 years ago), I had quite a few best friends — straight girl best friends and a couple of gay best friends. When it comes to our “looks”, we come in all sizes and shapes: fat, thin, chubby, built.

I was also friends with my ex boss, who is a straight German guy, back home. And he knew I was gay. But we kinda drifted apart now.

Considering myself friendly, I never thought that finding new friends would be hard. Okay, we don’t go to school or college together, but at least we’re gay. That’s what I thought.

10 years and 0 friends makes me question myself, is it really me or is it really them? It really makes me feel insecure.

I used to be more of an open, optimistic and a bit naïve type of guy but now I’m a little more of an optimistic realist — seeing how the world really works.

Like I said, I’m not that picky when it comes to friends. I couldn’t care less how they would look because they are only gonna be my friends.

I’m quite RARE in terms of my personality, it’s an INFJ. (If you ever take the MBTI personality test, you know what I really mean.) INFJ used to be the rarest type out of 16 personalities with only around 1.5% of the test takers around the world.

As an INFJ, I am intuitive and a good listener and try to solve problems of others, rather than of my own. Being an introvert, I have my limit in my social life. But it doesn’t mean I don’t want any.

I already gave up — deleting my Romeo account twice — but what I got is “0 friend”. So, after 4 years of giving up, I just gave it another go. The result never changes. What changes is that I get older. And who wants to be friends with old Gaysians, right?

You need to be happy with yourself. It is what it is. It’s nice to have a partner that you can share your life with, but know this, majority of gay relationships end, one way or another, much more so than hetero-relationship because we don’t have kids that may tie or force both parents to stay together for the family’s sake.

Most people, especially gay men, only wants to date and be friends with people who look like they belong to the same ‘tribe’ with, meaning, look similar to each other. So, an ‘average looking white guy would only wants to be friend with and date other average white gay’. It doesn’t matter if you’re hot Asian/black/latino or have the world rarest personality type as stated by some online tests. No one cares! Really! If you’re only seeking friendship, why not try to seek friendship from non-gay men as well?

Aging is the best equalizer. Most men, whether gay or straight, would not date each other after they have hit a certain age bracket (40 to 50++), and would actively seek out younger men to date and be friend with, at that stage, it doesn’t matter whether the guy is white, black or purple, just as long that he is ‘young’.

All I have to say is. Don’t think too much of it. Don’t waste your time trying to analyse every single rejection/or no reply from men you’re interested in. Move on and don’t look back. Be fabulous and start dating yourself, treat yourself like how you want your perfect man (in your head) would be treating you. Life is too short. And there’s nothing wrong with being single. It’s better to be single and happy than be in a toxic relationship. Finding and having a partner doesn’t = happiness. Look around you, most folks in relationship, gay or straight, would push their partner in front of moving traffic if they could claim that big life insurance pay out.
 
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You need to be happy with yourself. It is what it is. It’s nice to have a partner that you can share your life with, but know this, majority of gay relationships end, one way or another, much more so than hetero-relationship because we don’t have kids that may tie or force both parents to stay together for the family’s sake.

Most people, especially gay men, only wants to date and be friends with people who look like they belong to the same ‘tribe’ with, meaning, look similar to each other. So, an ‘average looking white guy would only wants to be friend with and date other average white gay’. It doesn’t matter if you’re hot Asian/black/latino or have the world rarest personality type as stated by some online tests. No one cares! Really! If you’re only seeking friendship, why not try to seek friendship from non-gay men as well?

Aging is the best equalizer. Most men, whether gay or straight, would not date each other after they have hit a certain age bracket (40 to 50++), and would actively seek out younger men to date and be friend with, at that stage, it doesn’t matter whether the guy is white, black or purple, just as long that he is ‘young’.

All I have to say is. Don’t think too much of it. Don’t waste your time trying to analyse every single rejection/or no reply from men you’re interested in. Move on and don’t look back. Be fabulous and start dating yourself, treat yourself like how you want your perfect man (in your head) would be treating you. Life is too short. And there’s nothing wrong with being single. It’s better to be single and happy than be in a toxic relationship. Finding and having a partner doesn’t = happiness. Look around you, most folks in relationship, gay or straight, would push their partner in front of moving traffic if they could claim that big life insurance pay out.
Hey @tito21, thanks for your advice.

You kinda missed my point a little. I wasn’t saying that I’m looking for a relationship. No, not at the moment. I’m looking for friends. Just platonic friends, who I can have deep meaningful conversations with. Not friends with benefits. That’s my focus.

I wanted to make friends with straight people, too. I just don’t know where to start, tbh. I don’t like going to clubs or bars. First, it drains out my “social battery” very quickly. Second, i find it Hard to hold a (meaningful) conversation when it’s to loud and you have to shout.

I wanted to make friends with people at work, but they’re not nice. The more I get to know them, the more I start to dislike them. They don’t know that I’m gay though. I’m glad they never did, because they made a slightly homophobic joke once or twice. When I corrected them, they were saying that I was being too politically correct. So, I just go there to work and do not make friends.

I’m okay with not being in a relationship. Yeah, I had been in to us relationships with narcissists (both overt and covert) and that ate me up. So, relationships aren’t my goal at the moment. I’d rather be on this site and jerk off to hot guys’ pics and videos without having to interact with them than be in a relationship with horrible guys.

But how can you live without any friend? What a boring life would you have?

Human beings are social animals, even if you’re a total introvert, you still need at least a friend to socialize with. I have NONE. Can you imagine that?
 
Quick question: is there a thing as “sapiosexual” gay???

I find guys who can hold meaningful conversations “attractive”. But only to guys. Girls who can hold meaningful conversations are just “girls” for me. No attraction toward.
 
As to why I mentioned this INFJ personality thing and why I thought it had to be mentioned.

It’s who I am. I, as an INFJ, like to analyze things including people. I like getting to know the bottom of things around me. To know why / how it is, the way it is really fascinates me. And I like solving problems. Either I can or not. I’d like to give it a try.

That’s why I analyzed myself in order to know what really the problems are. If it’s really my problem or theirs.
 
Hey @tito21, thanks for your advice.

You kinda missed my point a little. I wasn’t saying that I’m looking for a relationship. No, not at the moment. I’m looking for friends. Just platonic friends, who I can have deep meaningful conversations with. Not friends with benefits. That’s my focus.

I wanted to make friends with straight people, too. I just don’t know where to start, tbh. I don’t like going to clubs or bars. First, it drains out my “social battery” very quickly. Second, i find it Hard to hold a (meaningful) conversation when it’s to loud and you have to shout.

I wanted to make friends with people at work, but they’re not nice. The more I get to know them, the more I start to dislike them. They don’t know that I’m gay though. I’m glad they never did, because they made a slightly homophobic joke once or twice. When I corrected them, they were saying that I was being too politically correct. So, I just go there to work and do not make friends.

I’m okay with not being in a relationship. Yeah, I had been in to us relationships with narcissists (both overt and covert) and that ate me up. So, relationships aren’t my goal at the moment. I’d rather be on this site and jerk off to hot guys’ pics and videos without having to interact with them than be in a relationship with horrible guys.

But how can you live without any friend? What a boring life would you have?

Human beings are social animals, even if you’re a total introvert, you still need at least a friend to socialize with. I have NONE. Can you imagine that?

There’s a difference between being alone and being lonely. You need to distinguish these two terms.
There are plenty of single people who are perfectly content and happy being alone. Being the dinosaur that I am, I have accept the fact that my chance of finding a husband at this point is slim to none, and I’m ok with that. I don’t have any friend either. I have accept the reality for what it is and I’m at peace with that. I don’t feel lonely, whenever I need social interactions, I just head out to museums, window shoppings and people watching at a nice cafe. Just saying a simple hello, thankyou, have a good day to people is all I need. I ‘date’ myself and treat myself well. I try to travel overseas once a year and buy myself a well made pair of shoes (Tricker’s) every few months. I make myself happy, I don’t ever rely or depend on other people to make me happy. Most people don’t love themselves, let alone having the capacity to love someone else.

You can spend your time analysing every little thing all you want. No one really cares beside you wasting your precious time and energy dwelling on things that don’t matter and have no control over. People don’t owe you anything, so don’t expect someone to response or interact with you just because you say hello or reach out your hand for a handshake. Unhappiness and disappointment arise when an expectation isn’t being met. No expectation = no disappointment.

Finding a partner or a friend isn’t going to cure your loneliness. You may push that feeling aside because that space in your mind is being filled by ‘someone’. That feeling will come back when that ‘someone’ is no longer in your life. Like i have mentioned before. Most relationships end! Sooner or later, you’ll find yourself single again. And it gets harder to find a partner as you grow older. Like i have mentioned, most men prefer to chase after younger men when they hit a certain age bracket. Those superficial gay men will be on the receiving end of the rejection sooner or later.

Even if you were to meet your perfect dream guy and grow old together. Sooner or later, one of you is going to leave this earth first. In addition, with ageing comes a whole host of health issues: Dementia, Parkinson and Alzheimer, which can affect anyone in the older population. 1 in 10 people will be affected by one of these cognitive illnesses later in life, where they won’t remember/recognise you or themselves anymore. What’s to say that you or your partner won’t hit with one these terminal illnesses later in life? Eventually, we’ll all be alone one way or another, some might even lose themselves and sanity by their 50s/60s. This is why it’s best to make peace with yourself and enjoy your own company while you still can - and still know who you are as a person.

It doesn’t matter if you have a certain rare personality type that likes to analyse every little details. If that isn’t making you happy, you need to move on and focus on things that really matters in your life - Why you are feeling lonely and needs validation? I advise seeking a good therapist to help you resolve whatever underlining issues that may be causing you to feel this way. Talking to a therapist is a great social interaction that not even a partner or close friends could provide. They offer no judgement and will guide you to a better mental health.

Currently, you’re spending too much of your time dwelling on superficial and insignificant matters that don’t improve your life - by posting chat messages and dating profiles of men that didn’t reply to you. I understand this is the internet, but these men specifically put themselves on a dating app hoping to attract someone in their local area, and not for a begrudged stranger to take snapshot of their profiles and posting them on another platform without them knowing.

We don’t know what these men are thinking or what their real intentions are on those apps. We can only make assumptions on why they didn’t response to you. It may possibly be racism, or they may not be looking for friends, or for whatever reasons, we don’t know and we don’t care. And you shouldn’t be caring about it either. Ignore it and move on. Dwelling on it isn’t going to make you happy. Life is too short! Don’t waste your time/youth on strangers that don’t care about you. I understand that your ego and pride may be hurt due to the rejections. It’s ok to acknowledge it, accept it for what it is. Move on and don’t let it interfere with your life.

You have done your part in reaching out to these men for friendships. It isn’t your fault they aren’t replying to you. It’s their problems to deal with. If they aren’t open-minded to interact with an Asian or have the decency to response to you. It speaks more about their character than you. Again, they don’t owe you anything. So don’t expect anything from anyone. It is the way that it is. Move on! There are plenty of other men out there.
 
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Quick question: is there a thing as “sapiosexual” gay???

I find guys who can hold meaningful conversations “attractive”. But only to guys. Girls who can hold meaningful conversations are just “girls” for me. No attraction toward.
yes there are sapiosexuals around and some are gay not sure how common they'd be or that if there were people into the 'deep and meaningful' chats would call themselves that???
 
what anyone on these dating apps/sites etc needs to remember is that 'attractive' however you define it people get 100s of messages, just as the 'tops' do and muscle guys to too.

Receiving that many messages just becomes this tick box exercise or they end up just dismissing the lot.

So don't take it personally?

Make your headline a bit more eye catching, write a short/brief but meaningful description in your own profile and choose pix that show what you want them to show.

As others have written people are more drawn to people they find attractive or more like themselves, it takes a special person to look deeper on these apps.

Good luck
 
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@tito21 I am well aware of the difference between being alone and being lonely. I enjoy being alone most of the time. I don’t get lonely traveling alone. In fact, I love do this a lot because I spend (a long) time trying to get each picture “perfect” with minimal post-production. That bothered my ex a lot, because he didn’t care about photography. He just wanted to get his selfie showing that he was there. That’s all. I, on the other hand, hate taking selfie and I don’t like being photographed by others either. Unless, it’s a company or a family photo.

As for being lonely, I admit that I am. Again, I have no friends. I still need this little piece in my life. As I mentioned, I used to have best friends before I moved here. And having friends can boost my self esteem.

For me being lonely doesn’t stem from being or living alone at all. It’s from not being able talk to anyone for a long time.

Posting screenshot of guys who rejected me here isn’t my way to seek revenge or expose their ignorance or racism. I just wanted to show you what I mean by showing you this, in case you’re not familiar with profile settings on Romeo. I even censored their usernames.

i am not yet a dinosaur. Not soon. I even look a lot younger than other people my age or younger.

I’m not asking you how old you actually are, thinking about being alone while your partner or friends leave the earth is inevitable. This is sad but this life. You feel attached to them. You love them. That’s okay to feel lonely at that point in your age, when time’s come. That’s natural. Feeling lonely this way is a different kind of feeling lonely because you don’t feel loved (platonic or romantic). But who am I to tell you how to feel, right? I can’t even tell myself how to feel when I get rejected.

I moved on — I never wanted to ask the guys who rejected me, why they did what they did. That would be annoying of me and that would push them to hate me even more. It was just my frustration that I will never get to understand them.

Like right now, I’m trying to understand you, your personality and why you think the way you think. I’m not judging you at all although I can be judgmental. I’m trying to understand your point of view and to adapt it to improve my life better. Not to find a partner or anything. But to be happy with myself. It’ll be a long journey for me to get there. Until I reach that point where I don’t give a fuck about anyone.

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Tbh, I have no idea how to “sell” myself on the dating app. I don’t know how to make myself more interesting.

I don’t wanna take off my shirt and show off my skin because I don’t want my profile to look like I’m looking for hookups. As for the headline, I have to explicitly address that I’m not looking for hookups because I’m sure reading long profile texts in the about me section isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. I really do enjoy reading this. You find something funny there.

I know I can look as friendly as I want in my profile pic, but nobody cares because I’m not their type, I can’t change that.

i really wish I could switch off my emotions and care that easily. It’s even harder when you have no one to talk about this problem.

So you guys suggest that learn to be apathetic might be a solution?
 
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i don't think many of us know how to 'sell' ourselves on apps/dating sites - if you've a good friend ask them what you should write - as for my comment it was only a suggestion that you look again at how you present yourself? I wasn't suggesting nude/topless photos or anything - but are you smiling in your pictures and looking happy for example?

as for apathetic - even that is an emotion - i was suggesting you don't have any emotion at all towards those who reject or don't reply.

They mean nothing to you even if they are beautiful and/or have great profiles - until you meet you're not invested in them only the process.

Perhaps you need to consider some of the many other dating sites that exist and try say match.com or locallads.com or even tinder? Planetromeo, or just Romeo as its called now is so full of fake profiles and catfishing it possibly not the best place to try?

anyway, good luck to you, i think we're all just trying to give suggestions and help with your questions, you can accept or ignore any of them ;-)
 
i don't think many of us know how to 'sell' ourselves on apps/dating sites - if you've a good friend ask them what you should write - as for my comment it was only a suggestion that you look again at how you present yourself? I wasn't suggesting nude/topless photos or anything - but are you smiling in your pictures and looking happy for example?

as for apathetic - even that is an emotion - i was suggesting you don't have any emotion at all towards those who reject or don't reply.

They mean nothing to you even if they are beautiful and/or have great profiles - until you meet you're not invested in them only the process.

Perhaps you need to consider some of the many other dating sites that exist and try say match.com or locallads.com or even tinder? Planetromeo, or just Romeo as its called now is so full of fake profiles and catfishing it possibly not the best place to try?

anyway, good luck to you, i think we're all just trying to give suggestions and help with your questions, you can accept or ignore any of them ;-)
Wait! Isn’t tinder for straight people? Or you’re suggesting that I make friends with straight people on tinder?

I have been on (and off) Romeo since it was called gayromeo then planetromeo. But each time never lasted long because I had a bf (started out as platonic friends then he wanted to be my bf). It was myself to blame because I didn’t trust my intuition.

There are some certain point where straight people don’t get us gay. I talked to me psychiatrist, who is straight, and she didn’t quite get my gay way of life. I was asked if I really was sure I’m gay and if I might be asexual. So I was burdened with an identity crisis.

i mean I know I’m gay because I’ve never been attracted to girls sexually or intellectually. And I’m not asexual because I still want to have sex. But only with my bf’s. That’s why I started to question myself if I’m a sapiosexual and if sapiosexuality can even coexist with homosexuality.

I never said I would ignore your advice. I just became more and more interested in your advice and had more questions. That’s all.
 
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Wait! Isn’t tinder for straight people? Or you’re suggesting that I make friends with straight people on tinder?

I have been on (and off) Romeo since it was called gayromeo then planetromeo. But each time never lasted long because I had a bf (started out as platonic friends then he wanted to be my bf). It was myself to blame because I didn’t trust my intuition.

There are some certain point where straight people don’t get us gay. I talked to me psychiatrist, who is straight, and she didn’t quite get my gay way of life. I was asked if I really was sure I’m gay and if I might be asexual. So I was burdened with an identity crisis.

i mean I know I’m gay because I’ve never been attracted to girls sexually or intellectually. And I’m not asexual because I still want to have sex. But only with my bf’s. That’s why I started to question myself if I’m a sapiosexual and if sapiosexuality can even coexist with homosexuality.

I never said I would ignore your advice. I just became more and more interested in your advice and had more questions. That’s all.
Absolutely there are sapiosexual homosexuals.

I feel I resonate with you a bit. We have a few similar attributes. Its difficult for those of us to shut off the heightened level of empathy compared to most. Most people can just "shut off all emotion" in regards to others and how they may act online or otherwise. But its more difficult when your whole like thought process/demeanor is getting to know and understand others.

I've posted similar questions and topics in various places and basically, you aren't going to find many who relate and ultimately will just tell you to, in effect, shut off your empathy. And while I think it is a somewhat reasonable idea/advice, it's just difficult for us.

Unfortunately any further explanation of our point of view will just further alienate us from others. Like i get it. I understand they just want to help but simultaneously they have no desire to empathize with us too heh. Not maliciously but just... our brains work differently.

Edit to add: of course I could also be completely wrong. I am not one to refuse to admit ignorance or being wrong. It ultimately could just be our problem and probably is. But i just wanted to write something to help you relate to someone else. I felt I related to you so extended a hand.
 
Absolutely there are sapiosexual homosexuals.

I feel I resonate with you a bit. We have a few similar attributes. Its difficult for those of us to shut off the heightened level of empathy compared to most. Most people can just "shut off all emotion" in regards to others and how they may act online or otherwise. But its more difficult when your whole like thought process/demeanor is getting to know and understand others.

I've posted similar questions and topics in various places and basically, you aren't going to find many who relate and ultimately will just tell you to, in effect, shut off your empathy. And while I think it is a somewhat reasonable idea/advice, it's just difficult for us.

Unfortunately any further explanation of our point of view will just further alienate us from others. Like i get it. I understand they just want to help but simultaneously they have no desire to empathize with us too heh. Not maliciously but just... our brains work differently.

Edit to add: of course I could also be completely wrong. I am not one to refuse to admit ignorance or being wrong. It ultimately could just be our problem and probably is. But i just wanted to write something to help you relate to someone else. I felt I related to you so extended a hand.
You’re absolutely right about the “shutting off emotions”! I wish it were that easy for me to switch off just like you turn off the lights. I don’t know how other people can do this but I can’t do it that easily.
Not sure if you’ve ever heard of the term “INFJ door slam”. If not, it’s about way we “completely cut someone out of our lives” after several attempts of trying to understand that person, trying to fix things, patching things up (this could take years of trying) until you realize that you can’t do it any longer because it consumes you mentally. So you “slam the door” and never open.

I’ve slammed the door quite a few times (to my exes). Point being: I could turn off my emotions to these people (who ignore me) but it’s gonna take me years until I can get to that point.

again, if I wasn’t being clear, I just want to make myself clear to everyone that i’m not seeking revenge by posting these profiles as examples. Not my intention. I just love to hear all of your guys’ opinions. And I love exchanging ideas. That’s all.